one solution would be a rotation with fair vehicle lists for the upper BRs.
- different rotating vehicle lists instead of rotating BR numbers.
a motivated developer who knows top tier SB could build this for a test run by next week or the week after.
I’m not talking about uptiering top-tier, These “Parallel rotations/BR’s” might just be the most brainless suggestion I’ve ever heard on any sim thread so far… Why would 12.3 aircraft ever join the 12.7 lobby? At that point just say the top-bracket lobby is 12.7-12.7, which in itself is a terrible idea.
But hey, what do you know? You literally have zero games played in sim above 11.0 lol.
Unless your suggestion is to have these ‘parallel’ brackets all the way down to 1.0, which is just silly as it would essentially create 30-40 different brackets - there will always be people suffering from up tiers, it’s how Gaijin has balanced the game and I doubt Gaijin is looking to scrap the whole “battle-rating” concept either, we have to work with it… Currently RB’s MM decides your fate by pure RNG, with some BR’s like 11.0 facing far more uptiers than downtiers. Let’s be happy we have a rotation where every BR gets it’s day to shine with the small sacrifice being some BR’s near top tier not getting their full-down tiers until the next higher BR arrives.
This is coming from someone who’s by far favourite BR is 11.0, with my favourite plane being the JA37C becoming completely redundant now without the 11.0 down-tier. I however can actually comprehend that this temporary minimal drawback of a 0.3 up tier is for the best and I don’t call the entire matchmaker ‘shit’ because of it.
simplest emergency solution. further reduce the rotation distances above 10.0. for example, not 4 BRs per set but max. 3 BRs.
is that important? he plays EC. he plays 11.0 Jets. isn’t that enough?
what if someone is not interested in 12.0? does the opinion then carry less weight in the forum?
I don’t play 12.0 either because I prefer the DCS F-16 to the cheap crippled WT F-16
Except, it’s not permanent. You would’ve known this if you actually read my messages. This is a small temporary drawback of a good system. If you think everyone can be “downtiered” at any time, like with your ‘parallel’ idea, you’re just being silly. It’s not a sustainable solution.
There will always be up tiers and downtiers. It’s just the way the game is balanced. We can either go the RB route and have it be up to complete RNG, or we can actually have a predictable consistent system/schedule with rotating brackets where we know what we’re getting ourselves into each day, not having to cross our fingers every time we press play. If we want the brackets, then we inherently can’t have everyone get downtiers all the time without there being 30+ brackets which is just ridiculous. Get over it.
Resorting to these kinds of insults really only shows where your own maturity is at. Trust me, you’re not coming across any better.
We already have this, there’s multiple brackets with only 3 BR’s above 9.7. This already creates some issues where it thins-out player base a bit, making it harder to fill a game.
(brackets with a red dot have only 3 BR’s)
The only solution we could have to fix the 11.0 down-tier is to make some of the brackets only have 2 BR’s.(alternatively have one massive bracket with 5 BR’s) These 2 alternatives would be either:
11.3-12.0 and 12.3-12.7 (2 BR’s)
or
11.3-11.7 and 12.0-12.7 (2 BR’s)
or
10.0-11.0 and 11.3-12.7 (5 BR’s)(they did something like this last update, people hated it.)
One of them will be a tiny bracket which will struggle to fill players, this is the reason I have understanding for some BR’s not having a full down-tier sometimes… Once 13.0 or 13.3 arrives, 11.0 downtier will be back. It’s not that big of a deal.
Just to clarify, doing something like this with 2 BR’s, or 5 BR’s is still a solution I can reason with, but I can also see why Gaijin didn’t go in this direction - And ultimately, I believe doing one of these (2 or 5BR brackets) would damage sim more, than 11.0 temporarily missing out on a full down-tier would damage sim.
I don’t know where we should ‘draw the line’ between top-tier but 11.0 isn’t it.
I don’t often go into peoples stats, but sometimes someone makes a post so detached from reality and reasoning that there’s just no way they actually have the experience.
This guy is currently presenting ridiculous solutions which would clearly damage top-tier, I checked his stats - he’s never flown anything top tier/above 11.0.
Let me reiterate, a guy that’s only ever flown 11.0 and has a premium at the BR, wants a solution which would massively damage top-tier so that the exact BR of 11.0 doesn’t have to temporarily face a single 0.3 BR up tier. (likely sooner with Fox 3.). I also didn’t say that his opinion didn’t matter, I’ve been trying to have a good discussion with him, I’m simply pointing out some pretty obvious bias here…
Obviously this depends on the context. My opinion on most matters regarding Ground/tank stuff should not matter or carry any weight… Because I have no experience.
What do you mean crippled? It’s performing to charts and even overperforming in AoA in WT. If anything it’s OP. I haven’t flown DCS F16 though, maybe that one is even more over-performing.
the thing is that with a 4.0 Bf-109F, for example, you can also be successful at 5.7. but with a 10.7 F-4E, you will certainly be dead at 11.3.
I don’t want to commit myself, but I hear a lot of unhappy people. I suspect that there is still a lot of screwing around between 10.0 and 12.7.
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I don’t want to defend the other person at all.
i’m referring to myself. i’m not interested in anything above 12.0 in WT. nevertheless, i have a lot of flying hours and it’s basically the same EC.
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hard to describe. you just hate the WT F-16 if you like the other one. there’s no reason for that. it’s like liking a car or not.
on the other hand, I really like flying the many other old WT aircraft.
You still don’t get it, do you?
I don’t care what ppl like you think. What I care is getting a 11.0-10.0 BR rotation.
There’s no excuse for not having it, apart from your attempts to explain how 12.7 players are more valuable than 11.0. Normal person would get the idea already, but not you, so…good luck if your future thinking attempts.
Yes, I understand that you want your 10.0-11.0 rotation lmao. You’ve made that very clear.
It’s not my fault that you can’t look at the BR rotation table and come up with a single suggestion of your own, instead resorting to insults and vague one-liner responses.
It’s not an ‘excuse’ it’s simply how the battle-rating rotation works… If you actually looked at the table you’d understand how the addition of 12.7 made it a bit messy for 11.0, and how the addition of 13.0 will fix things up a bit. What you’re proposing is radical changes which would hurt the rotation itself or sim as a whole just because you can’t handle a 0.3 BR up tier for a little longer.
12.7 is not more valuable. If all you’ve gathered from my posts are that “12.7 are more valuable than 11.0” then I seriously think you’re the one that need some “good luck” for future thinking attempts… Fitting 11.0 in right now would likely either hurt 11.3 or hurt both EC9/EC10 with tiny brackets which would sacrifice player-count for that entire rotation if anything, 12.7 is always going to be on top anyways.
Best solution if 11.0 is that important would be to remove EC9 from ROT 3 and lower EC10 to 11.3-12.7, you’d essentially make 11.3 unplayable for 2 days just so that 11.0 get’s to be the top-dog once. 11.0 is not unplayable against 11.3, 11.3 is unplayable against 12.7… Do you see the difference? I’m not “protecting” 12.7 here. I simply see the reality that Gaijin had a choice to either give 11.0 it’s downtier, which would sacrifice 11.3 completely for that rotation, or temporarily have the 11.0 fight a single BR step higher until 13.0 arrives. Gaijin went with the latter option.
Interesting, I have not played props much so I did not know this was the case. 1.7BR higher certainly doesn’t work at 9.0+. I wonder if other prop players agree with you
What do you mean screwing around?
IIRC that’s the one without PD radar? It’s definitely not my first choice but Idk if I would call it unplayable, an up tier is an up tier. Like the 10.7 F4E against 11.3 is roughly as hard as most other 2 jets against each-other at a 2 step BR difference. Same with 11.3 Mig23 vs 12.0 F16… I’d rather fight a mig23 in F4E than fight an F16 in a Mig23.
I guess my point is that if we don’t believe an aircraft can fight another aircraft 2 BR steps above them, then we don’t have an issue with the BR brackets, we have an issue with BR compression.
Gaijin has set the 1.0 BR range standard and by doing so they’re basically saying an aircraft at 10.0 can fight both 9.0 and 11.0. Meaning it doesn’t make much sense for us to come asking for smaller BR ranges, instead we should ask for one of the aircraft to be raised/lowered in BR, or have the whole range decompressed.
probably not. many people cry when they don’t have an superior F4U-4B available. xD
simply put. you have a 6.0 prop with more power, energy and speed but you don’t use your superiority. then the enemy suddenly has a good chance in the 4.0 plane.
the best example is the japanese A6M Zero. you go into battle with a 5.3 Mustang against a 3.3 Zero and you don’t determine the battle with your superiority. instead, you leave it to the Zero to determine the battle and then you probably lose.
but it’s not just about skills. there are many combat situations in prop battles where you can get lucky and have epic moments with an inferior fighter. but not permanently but always temporarily. as soon as Greek Air Force comes with his F4U-4B the luck is over.
I don’t know anymore myself. I was already tired last night :D
ah ok that sounds logical. but this things should definitely be improved. The worst thing is always when the mode stagnates completely.
the F-4E only has soup on the radar screen. …I think the first Phantom with PD is F-4J?! …
I understand the wish for a 11.0 rotation (would like to have that as well), but frankly speaking I don’t think the 11.0 planes suffer too much from having to compete in 11.3 matches in their best rotation.
At least with the 11.0ers I fly I don’t feel really at a disadvantage…
Also, I’m pretty sure the rotations/brackets will be readjusted once we get the Fox 3 Update and the expected BR extension…
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11.3 is bearable and there were 10 or so games yesterday throughout the day, compared to 2-3 on 11.7 rotation, but still it’s tiring to permanently fly defensive cause you got no all aspect/MRM missiles, or you don’t have a radar, or RWR, or something else.
I had some weird encounters with this ‘Greek Air Force’ guy. I’ve only ever heard of him before as some prop player but he recently started playing top-tier it seems with the air superiority jets and he kept trying to team-kill me, 2 of the times with guns… One of the times I managed to dodge out of the way cause I saw him coming on RWR. Never spoke to or played with the guy before this happened… He also has like a 0.45 K/D with the Su27 which is odd for someone with over 11.000 hours in sim. (Don’t mean to trash-talk him, just find it odd how someone with 11k hours has 0.45kd in a su27 and team kills blatantly)
Same lol
I really think the solution here to save sim is to vouch for stuff like better rewards/objectives/controls setups.
Something like that. It’s still a fantastic overall package, we also have to understand that Gaijin also takes CAS and other abilities into consideration with BR’s. And then again, being able to carry 8 missiles is not bad.
How far along Germany/Britain are you btw? I could probably recommend some jets if you wanted to get into some higher tier sim. And if you’re looking for a new tech-tree the J35XS is really enjoyable in sim.
I find the British very interesting. paused for a long time. I didn’t know most of the Jets before the game. Except of course the tornado. I think I would like the GR.1 with the Mig Eater paint job. this famous tornado that bombed the MiG taking off in the Gulf War.
I’m exploring Germany so I can play with old friends again. The usefull action nation sets destroyed our old squadron back then. At that time we combined the USA and Germany as an F-86 team.
now all these East German DDR planes are in the game.
Sweden will be difficult. I’m at Tier I :D
yes our Greek is suddenly just an average player in Jets.
if his wingman GerMit1313 is not there Greek is less dangerous as enemy. you always have to look GerMit there or not. if not, - all fire free on greek and finish him xD
Nice, aside from the MIG19 which is very cool you have not unlocked much that I’m familiar with yet. Harriers are also deadly when you get used to the thrust vectoring. Your event Mig23 is also very good, although I’m not sure what missiles that one get.
Get the Draken this sale, you’ll have the tech tree completed within a week ;). The Viggens are incredibly good and fun jets for sim, you have incredible radar at a low BR, makes it easy to track people down and pretty good armament too with a powerful engine.
We’ll see if he sticks around top-tier. I don’t blame him for trying something new lol, he has a ludicrous amount of hours in props.
I’ll have to wait for a discount. Unfortunately, the 30% is not for packages.
so it’s more expensive than the DCS Phantom.
at least 6 hours every day in 3 years. if I haven’t miscalculated.
If I understand the sale correctly, we will have this Premium time/GE vehicle sale now until the 6th, and then on the 6th the premium packs/vehicles go on sale - this is so that people can’t use the 2500 GE gained from premium packs to buy GE vehicles/premium time on sale. I’m planning on gifting my wingman the MIG23ML next week.
I’ve never understood how people have thousands of hours in games like that… That’s legit like a significant portion of your life… My most played game (DayZ) I have like 700 hours, but on average I have like 100-200 per game.
I did a test flight. I like the Viggen Saab. My F-4E cripple can’t keep up with it. the problem with the F-4E is that there is no second late F-4E from the post-Vietnam era to compete with the late upgraded MiG-21 and 23.
the viggen is good and I like it. but I’ll have to think about it again. because i didn’t really want to give the snail any money. I didn’t want to go shopping again until the snail pays more attention to the sim again. it will probably be a spontaneous camel decision.
it’s fascinating that a relatively small country like sweden builds such good fighter planes itself. screwed together by swedish hot girls.
that’s a generous reward for the wingman. seems like a good wingman?!
if I could earn real money with it, I would also fly 24 hours a day :D
I also have quite a few snail hours. But there are also many evenings when I don’t feel like playing snails. Arma Reforger, for example, is getting better and better. I think Arma 4 is going to be a really great thing in the future. but also very hungry for RAM performance.
Honestly I’m really apprehensive about buying stuff like premiums nowadays because I’m afraid Gaijin is just gonna ruin sim somehow, either by changing it for the worse or removing EC… If that were to happen I would not play this game ever again, I don’t enjoy RB or arcade whatsoever. Would be nice to at least know it’s going in the right direction, even if that means only one change per year.
Damn right. At one point during the Cold War Sweden with a population of 7 million had the world’s 4th largest air force IIRC.
When he’s not punting me into the lake yes lol
I like to keep my gaming to console and living room, I’d rather not sit at a desk to game like I’m at some office-job. Unfortunately those games are not out on PS5. Hell let loose was very fun though, enjoyed playing as commander.
F-5E BR was changed to 10.7 on one patch, while being not announced, and put back to 11.0 about 2 weeks later for no reason.