NDI- Ground Forces Techtree

NORWAY - DENMARK - ICLELAND

Amount of vehicles: 111x
Amount of unique vehicles: 87x
Percentage of unique vehicles: 79%

COUNTED
Techtree - Premium - Event - Unique
Rank 1: 18 - 4 - 4 - 18
Rank 2: 14 - 3 - 1 - 8
Rank 3: 7 - 1 - 0 - 5
Rank 4: 14 - 3 - 1 - 13
Rank 5: 14 - 3 - 0 - 9
Rank 6: 20 - 4 - 3 - 18
Rank 7: 5 - 1 - 1 - 7
Rank 8: 5 - 1 - 1 - 7

SOME OF THE REASONS TO ADD THIS TECH TREE

  • These 3 countries both have and has been closely connected to each other both in culture, history and location, for for several hundred years, even possibly over a thousand years and do therefore fit very well together, naturally
  • Sweden and Finland has better connection to each other, in addition there has been wars and conflicts between Sweden and these 3 countries
  • There are enough vehicles and unique vehicles for this tech tree to work
  • If we were to implement these vehicles in addition to the naval trees which are these 3 countries strongest side, with over 55 vessels in bluewater and over 220 in the coastal tree would not be as good, the grind would be huge and long, there would have to be excuded a lot of stuff which even are unique and well qualified for an implemention
  • There is still a lot of Swedish and Finnish stuff yet to be implemented, and when most of those are added, the Swe/Fin tree will have better filled lineups. The Swedish tree does not suffer much, even tough bigger lineups would be better, it will still manage perfectly fine without these 3 counties presence
  • There will be more for the players to choose from, and greater versatility
  • The matches would be more mixed
  • This will be an golden opportunity to include Iceland
  • There will be more possibilities in terms of vehicles to be added, modifications, historical relevance etc
  • Adding this tree would give the Swe/Fin tree more space for their own vehicles

This techtree could under an eventual implemention be called Norway, because Norway has the most vehicles of this 3 countires, or the more including name “NDI” with the 3 flags combined in the folder. I guess it is the same when this tree could be implemented, but it could be soon considering the situation with the current Swedish Techtree.

My personal opinion are more and smaller techtrees, there is enough of those and this tree would be an example. it would have many positive sides!

Please do not jugde this post by my lines/setup, i don’t know 100% hot the lines should be set up so they are pretty mixed. or the names of the vehicle, if one vehicle has the name Leopard, doesnt mean it is a copy paste vehicle. and in order to check outwhat is unique about these youwill have to check the suggestion for each vehicle, it is too much to include in this post

PICTURE OF THE TECHTREE
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VEHICLES LISTED WITH SPECS AND REASON FOR THEIR PLACEMENTS
Note that their br and placement arent perfect, this is done by the best of my abilities

LIST

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NORWAY

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VEHICLES

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RANK 1

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TKS TANKETTE
Country of Origin: Poland

ARMAMENT
1x 7.92mm Hotchkiss MG
1x 20mm FK cannon

compared to the L3/33, this is a smaller vehicle, but it will hve ca the same stats, and will have to be used in the same way. this saw little use in norway, and has threfor been added as an event vehicle due to the historical relevance. it could possibly be implemented in a special event or in one of the future battlepasses after it has been added under the flag of the original country of origin, Poland.

SOMUA S35
Country of Origin: France

ARMAMENT
1x 47mm SA 35
1x MG 7M5MM Model 1931

A nice medium tank for his battlerating, it is the exact same as in the French techtree and will therefor have the same placement as that one. this could also be a event vehicle but i put it in the regular techtree

Chevrolet 47mm Kongsberg

ARMAMENT
1x 47mm Kongsberg cannon
1x Mitr 7.92mm Colt
2x MG 7.92mm Madsen Rekylgevær
2x rifles 6.5x55mm Krag Jørgensen

This is a armored car built by the Norwegian army on a chevrolet frame, this could serve this rank and br nicely as a Tank destroyer. Premium since there are two verisons of this and this has the biggest cannon

Chevrolet 37mm

ARMAMENT
1x 37mm cannon semi auto kongsberg
1x Mitr 7.92mm Colt
2x MG 7.92mm Madsen Rekylgevær
2x rifles 6.5x55mm Krag Jørgensen

This is a armored car built by the Norwegian army on a chevrolet frame, this could serve this rank and br nicely as a Tank destroyer.

DAF 2-pdr

ARMAMENT
2-Pdr QF Mk.II

A special vehicle, well suitable for this rank. tank destroyer

FORD M8 GREYHOUND
country of origin: usa

ARMAMENT
1x 37mm M6 cannon (80 rounds)
1x LV-MITR 12.7mm Browning heavy anti-aircraft machine gun mounted on the turret top
1x7.62mm co-axial Browning machine gun
1x Bazooka 2.36 inch
6x Anti tank mines

An Nice IFV for this rank, same br as the other greyhounds in game

FORD M20
country of origin: usa

ARMAMENT
1x LV-MITR 12.7mm Browning heavy anti-aircraft machine gun mounted on the turret top
1x7.62mm co-axial Browning machine gun
1x Bazooka 2.36 inch
6x Anti tank mines

Would work simlar to the 37mm greyhould, but much weaker, it would work fine especially if we get a use for anti tank mines

HUMBER AC MK IV
Country of grigin: great britain

ARMAMENT
1x 37mm cannon
1x 7.92mm Besa MG

should be a nice and agile vehicle for this br

DAIMLER ARMOURED CAR MK.II
Country of grigin: great britain

ARMAMENT
1x 2 pounder cannon (40mm)
1z 7.92mm Besa MG

powerful and agile tank for this br

Chevrolet M/1937 (37mm L/35)

ARMAMENT
1x 37mm Rapid firing Kongsberg cannon

Powerful and agile vehicle well suited for this rank, it has no armour so it is fragile

Chevrolet M/1937 (Hotchkiss 37mm - 5 barrel)

ARMAMENT
1x Revolving 5 barreled 37mm Hotchkiss cannon

Powerful and agile vehicle well suited for this rank, it has no armour so it is fragile. the cannon should be powerful

Chevrolet M/1937 (47mm Kongsberg)

ARMAMENT
1x 47mm Kongsberg cannon

Powerful and agile vehicle well suited for this rank, it has no armour so it is fragile. powerful semi auto naval cannon

PKW IV 75 short

ARMAMENT
1x 7.5cm kwk l24
2x 7.92mm MG 34

could be nicely fitted here, this is spoils of war

PKW IV 75 long

ARMAMENT
2x 7.92mm MG 34
1x 7.5cm l/43

could be nicely fitted here, this is spoils of war

Thornycroft J1916

ARMAMENT
1x 3.7" anti air cannon

should fit nicely here as a spaa

Morris Mark II

ARMAMENT
1x Boys Anti Tank Rifle .55 Boys

this can fit nicely here, very light and mobile, manage to kill many tanks from the side, and open tops

Scout Carrier

ARMAMENT
1x Boys Anti Tank Rifle .55 Boys

this can fit nicely here, very light and mobile, manage to kill many tanks from the side, and open tops

Stridsvogn KW-III 75 short

ARMAMENT
1x 75mm KwK L/24 Short
3x 7.92mm Mg34 or Mg42
this should be a nice addtion to this rank

Stridsvogn KW-III 50mm

ARMAMENT
1x 50mm KwK L/60 or
3x 7.92mm Mg34 or Mg42

this should be a nice addtion to this rank, powerful cannon

RANK 2

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Chevrolet 65mm

ARMAMENT
1x 65mm hotchkiss cannon
Powerful and agile vehicle well suited for this rank, it has no armour so it is fragile.

Chevrolet 120mm

ARMAMENT
1x 120mm l44 armstrong cannon

Powerful and agile vehicle well suited for this rank, it has no armour so it is fragile.

Chevrolet M/1937 - with one Rapid firing 76.2mm L/40 Armstrong

ARMAMENT
1x Rapid firing 76.2mm L/40 Armstrong

Powerful and agile vehicle well suited for this rank, it has no armour so it is fragile.

OPEL MAULTIER Sd Kfz 4/1

ARMAMENT
1x 15cm Panzerwerfer 41 (10 tubes)
1x 7.92mm MG 34 or MG42

powerful vehicle, fits nicely here

STORMKANON KW III

ARMAMENT
1x 75mm Pak L/48 (54 rounds)
1x 7.92mm Mg34/Mg42 (600 rounds)

should fit nicely here, there might alo be some more variants of this, wich could be nice for events

RANK 3

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M125A2 81mm
ARMAMENT
1x Norwegian Model 95 81mm mortar launcher
1x 12.7mm MITR
should be fun to use, even got a norwegian made launcher.

WILLYS MB/FORD GPW

ARMAMENT
1x 106mm Recoilless cannon
12.777mm spotting rifle
Miterfeste (miter attachment)

a fast, mobile vehicle, with a powerful cannon. should fit really nice here

M62 HONEST JOHN RAKETTVOGN

ARMAMENT
Honest John 762mm ground to ground rocket
(500kg TNT warhead)
a really powerful rocket launcher, could be very effective. same case as the btr 5 with the rockets on its side

RANK 4

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M109A3GN 155MM HOWITZER

ARMAMENT
1x 155mm L39 4 shots per minute
1x 12.7x99mm LV Mitr
powerful howitser

M109A3GNM 155MM HOWITZER

ARMAMENT
1x 155mm L39 4 shots per minute
1x 12.7x99mm LV Mitr
powerful howitser

further upgraden M109 currently under reserarching

NM 116 Panserjager Late 6.3

ARMAMENT
90 mm D/925 low-pressure gun - 41 rounds
NM 128 Laser Rangefinder
12.7 mm AN/M3 Browning machine gun (Coaxial)
12.7 mm M2HB Browning machine gun (Pintle-mounted)

a really powerful vehicle at his br, should fit really nice here! this is a upgraded verison, with metter eig,e muzzlebrake, transmisson and many other changes

NM 116 Panserjager Early 6.0

ARMAMENT
90 mm D/925 low-pressure gun - 41 rounds
NM 128 Laser Rangefinder
12.7 mm AN/M3 Browning machine gun (Coaxial)
12.7 mm M2HB Browning machine gun (Pintle-mounted)
a really powerful vehicle at his br, should fit really nice here!

RANK 5

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M29 Weasel RFK - recoilless cannon

ARMAMENT
M40 106 mm recoilless cannon

a small and really powerful vehicle, with good mobility

M48A5 PATTON
Country of origin: USA

ARMAMENT
1x 105mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3
8x 76mm Smoke Grenade Launchers

powerful medium tank, should fit nicely here

M48 PATTON

Country of origin: USA

ARMAMENT
1x 90mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3

powerful medium tank, should fit nicely here

Leopard 1
ARMAMENT
1x 105mm cannon
2x 7.62mm machineguns

a powerful and survivable tank, should be nice here compared to the simlar leopard

Norwegian Model 135 stormpanservogn
ARMAMENT
1x 20mm Rheinmetall RH-202 auto-cannon
1x coaxial 7.62mm MG3 machine gun
6x smoke launchers

should fit nicely at this battlerating

M47 Patton II

ARMAMENT
90 mm gun M36 (71 rounds)
1x 12.7 mm M2 machine gun
2x 7.62 mm M1919A4 machine guns

should fit nicely here as a event vehicle, considering how it was used

SS.11 Rakettpanserjager
ARMAMENT
6x SS.11 anti tank guided missiles

entirely norwegian made protptype. this was used

M106A1 107mm

ARMAMENT
1x 107mm M30 mortar launcher
1x 12.7mm MITR

should fit nicely here

RANK 6

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CV9030N STORMPANSERVOGN

ARMAMENT
1x 30mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3
Lock on aerial targets
thermal camera

should be a really nice addition to this rank, placement jugded out of simlar vehicles

CV9030N F1 STORMPANSERVOGN
ARMAMENT
1x 30mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3
Lock on aerial targets
thermal camera

should be a really nice addition to this rank, placement jugded out of simlar vehicles. this is a upgraded veriosn, with many sall upgrades like cameras and armor

LEOPARD 1A1NO

ARMAMENT
1x 105mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3
8x 76mm smoke launchers
Norwegian Model 128 (Simrad LV3) Laser rangefinder (Taken from NM 116)

should be a nice addition

Leopard 1A5NO

ARMAMENT
1x 105mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3
8x 76mm smoke grenade launchers

should be a nice addition, a unique leopard, with unique modifications

Leopard 1A5NO2
ARMAMENT
1x 105mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3
8x 76mm smoke grenade launchers

should be a nice addition, a unique leopard, with unique modifications. this one got extra armour and many various small upgrades in adittion to the A5NO upgrades

Norwegian Model 195 ROBOT 70

ARMAMENT
1x ROBOT 70, NALLADS
Smoke launchers

should be a nice and unique vehicle for this rank

Norwegian Model 142

ARMAMENT
1x Twin TOW ATGM launcher
8x various TOW missiles (2 in launcher, 6 in hull)
1x 7.62 mm MG3 machine gun (Pintle mount)

a really powerful agtm launcher. very powerful and various high pen missiles

Norwegian Model 142 F1

ARMAMENT
1x Twin TOW ATGM launcher
8x various TOW missiles (2 in launcher, 6 in hull)
1x 7.62 mm MG3 machine gun (Pintle mount)

a really powerful agtm launcher. very powerful and various high pen missiles. this is a upgraded verison with some mods, like spall lines

LEOPARD 2A4NO

ARMAMENT
1x 120mm cannon L/44
1x 7.62mm FN MAG Coaxial MITR
1x 7.62mm FN MAG LV MITR
76mm smoke launchers

powerful tank, fits nicely here

M270-MULTIPLE LAUNCH ROCKET SYSTEM (MLRS)

ARMAMENT
2x6 Rockets

a really powerful and deadly rocket launcher with various ammunition! fits here nicely, manye better at a lower br

CV9030N Test

ARMAMENT
1x 30mm cannon
2x 7.62mm MG3
Lock on aerial targets
thermal camera
eryx anti tank atgm

powerful prototype

NM195 luftvernpasnervogn Stinger
ARMAMENT
1x4 kongsberg Protector with stinger launcher
fim 92
powerful anti air

M2A2 Bradley

ARMAMENT
1x 25 mm Bushmaster Autocannon
TOW anti-tank missile launchers
should be a good placement

FV510 Warrior
ARMAMENT
1x L21A1 30mm Rarden autocannon
could be nicely placed here, compared to equal vehicles

ASCOD

ARMAMENT
1x 30 mm Mauser MK 30/2 (ASCOD Ulan/Pizarro)
1-2x 7.62mm machineguns

should fit nicely here

RANK 7

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CV9030N Mk. III

ARMAMENT
1x 30mm Bushmaster II cannon
2x 7.62mm FN MAG
Protector RWS 12.7 mm from Kongsberg Group
Smoke grenade launchers

Top modern CV90, with Norwegian modifications and a Norwegian developed weaponsystem, the Kongsberg Protector RWS

K9 panserjager
ARMAMENT
155 mm, 52 cal, CN98

A self propelled howitser. should play the anti tank rolevery nicely. ecpecially with its mobility and 360 degree turnable turret

Puma Prototype
specs currently unknown and coming soon. should be nice here

RANK 8

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Leopard 2A7NO

ARMAMENT

12x 76 mm universal grenade launchers

1x120 mm long verison (L55 A1)

7.62 machineguns should be 2 or more

Modern leopard 2. this should be a very nice addition to the top tier.the exact modifications will be provided at a later point. they are not upgraded yet

NASAMS High Mobility Launcher

ARMAMENT
4x AIM-120 AMRAAM ER
4x AIM-120 AMRAAM
4x Aim 9X Sidewinder Block II
4x Kongsberg NASAMS 3 medium - long range anti air missiles
Top modern, fast and very mobile anti air vehicle

K2NO Black Phanter M/1
ARMAMENT
1x 120mm cannon
1x 7.62mm coaxial
1x 12.7mm Kongsberg Protector RWS

top modern, among the most digitalized tanks in the world. should fit nicely here, mabye as a squadron or premium?

K2NO Black Phanter M/2
ARMAMENT
1x 120mm cannon
1x 7.62mm coaxial
1x under research

this is under research

DENMARK

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VEHICLES

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RANK 1

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Ford AA truck 1931 (FP 1 - 3)
ARMAMENT
1x 20 mm machine canon and
2x machine gun

should be a nice rank 1 vehicle/spaa

Ford AA truck 1931 (FP 1 - 2)
ARMAMENT
1x 20mm Madsen

should be a nice rank 1 vehicle/spaa

Ford AA truck 1931 (FP 1 - 1)
ARMAMENT
1x 20 mm machine canonn
2x machine guns.

should be a nice rank 1 vehicle/spaa

Landsverk 185 PV M34

ARMAMENT
1x 20 mm Madsen machine gun 300 rounds
2x 8 mm machine guns (Type C) 3.520 rounds

should be a nice rank 1 light vehicle
Landsverk 180 (PV M 36)

ARMAMENT
1x 20 mm machinegun (Type C) 300 rounds
2x 8 mm machineguns 2.800 rounds

should it nicely here

Landsverk Lynx (PV M 39)

ARMAMENT
1x 20 mm machine gun 195 rounds
3x 8 mm machine guns 2.160 rounds

should be a nice addition here

Panzer 3 Ausf N
ARMAMENT
currewntly uncnown *bad sources, i wont take any chanses to give the wrong information, got to dig(

Bedford QLD
ARMAMENT
1x4 12.7x99mm machineguns anti air
a really nice spaa for his rank!

Ford Truck V8 1939
ARMAMENT
1x 20mm Madsen

should be a nice vehicle for this rank

RANK 2

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Ford F60B
ARMAMENT
1x 40 mm Mk 5
should be a nice anti air/light tank or this rank

Staghound Mk III
ARMAMENT
1x 75 mm cannon
1x 7.92 mm BESA machine gun
2x 51 mm smoke dischargers.

should be a nice anti air/light tank or this rank

AEC Mk III
ARMAMENT
1x 75 mm cannon
1x 7.92 mm Besa MG.

should be a fun vehicle at this rank

M32B1 ARV
ARMAMENT
1x 81 mm mortar launcher
1x 7.62mm machinegun
1x 12.7 machine gun.

this should work nicely at this rank, maybe lower

RANK 3

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M10 Achilles IC

ARMAMENT
1x 76 mm cannon
1x 12.7 mm machine-gun.
should fit nicely here

M113 Mortar Carrier
ARMAMENT
1x 81 mm mortar M/65 120 rounds in side panels
1x 12.7mm machinegun

could be a nice addition, if they find a way to implement it, where it would work

M386 Honest John rocket launcher
ARMAMENT
fin-stabilised rocket 762 mm
a really powerful rocket launcher, could be very effective. same case as the btr 5 with the rockets on its side

RANK 4

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M4A3E4 Sherman

ARMAMENT
1x 76 mm gyro stabilised gun
2x 7.62 mm machine guns
1x 12.7 mm machine gun

should be nicely placed at this rank

Centurion Mk III
ARMAMENT
1x 84 mm gun with 64 rounds
1x Besa machine gun
2x6 smoke dischargers.

placed compared to simlar tanks

M41
ARMAMENT
1x 76 mm gun M32 65 rounds 76 mm
1x 7.62 mm 5.000 rounds
1x 12.7 mm machine-gun. 2.175 rounds
placed compared to simlar tanks

M41 DK1
ARMAMENT
1x 76mm cannon
smoke grenade launchers
machineguns
should fit nicely here as a påremium, should have the same machineguns as the early M41dk

Landrover 88 Half Ton

ARMAMENT
1x 147 mm TOW-launcher (M/87). The launcher has gone through several up-grades and is today equipped with thermal sights. Effective range is between 65 and 3.700 m (improved TOW). 84 launchers implemented (excluding the 56 mounted on M113).

should be a legendary vehucle at this rank

M109A3
ARMAMENT
1x155 mm gun (T255E3)
1x 12.7 mm machine-gun

powerful as a tank destroyer

M109

ARMAMENT
1x155 mm gun (T255E3)
1x 12.7 mm machine-gun

powerful as a tank destroyer

RANK 5

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Centurion Mk V, 2 DK

ARMAMENT
1x 84 mm gun with 64 rounds
1x Besa machine gun
2x6 smoke dischargers.
should be some changes to it, a little bit unsure’

should be nicely placed here

Leopard 1A5 DK

ARMAMENT
1x 105 mm gun (L7A3 by Royal Ordnance in Nottingham)
2x 7.62 mm machine-guns
should fit nicely here

AM General HMMWV M1045A2
ARMAMENT
147 mm TOW-launcher. 6 reload missiles are carried in the cargo compartment.

this should fit really well here, speed and powerful anti tank missiles

CV9035 DK
ARMAMENT
1x 35mm Bushmaster III 35/50 cannon
machineguns
should fit really well here

M113 ETS
ARMAMENT
Gun 4x TOW Launchers
powerful agtm carrier

Piranha ETS
ARMAMENT
Gun 4x TOW Launchers

this could be a really interesitng anti tank missile carrier for the game at this rank! crazy elevation

RANK 6

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Leopard 1A5 DK

ARMAMENT
1x 105 mm gun (L7A3 by Royal Ordnance in Nottingham)
2x 7.62 mm machine-guns
should fit nicely here

M113 TOW Carrier

ARMAMENT
147 mm TOW-launcher (M/87)
10x agtm’s
should be a good vehicle! at this rank
Centurion Mk V, 2

ARMAMENT
1x 84 mm gun with 64 rounds
1x Besa machine gun
2x6 smoke dischargers.
should be
fits nicely here

M113A2DK
ARMAMENT
1x 25 mm Oerlikon-Contraves machine-cannon
1x 7.62 mm machine-gun mounted co-axially

should be nicely placed here

RANK 7

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Leopard 2A5DK
ARMAMENT
1x 120mm L44
machineguns
a really good tank for this rank

Leopard 2A5DK late

ARMAMENT
1x 120mm L44
machineguns

a really good tank for this rank. this has upgraded protection. among other things aginst hear. might be better at a lower br

Oericon Skyranger 30

ARMAMENT
uncertain at the moment

Should be a nice top modern spaa at this rank

RANK 8

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Leopard 2A7 DK
ARMAMENT
1x 120mm L55A1
machineguns

this is a modern and well suited tank for this rank, even if it is an upgraded 2A5 dk it should still qualify well

ICELAND

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As soon as i have tied up the leads i got, i will post their vehicles here! currently under reseach!

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Would you like to see this implemented?
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Warthunder_Norway

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lLiberté

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I’d have to say -1
I’d rather that vehicles that fit with each other (such as the CV90s in this tree) be foldered together and put into Sweden.

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There are many possibilities, and i just want to show the possibilities and i am therefore making some more verisons of it, wich will soon be posted

One 100% unique verison
One 100% unique subtrwe
One mixed subtree
Plus More :)

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And while i remember it, if they decide to add these nations there will be a dilemma, and this will go for some vehicles of all branches, not only the vehicle i am giving as an example below

Curtiss hawk 75A-6

lisence built/put together at kjeller in norway
Put into service just before the invasion in 1940, none of them could fight, since they had not recieved any ammunition yet.

So a couple managed to avoid being captured bu the germans, and were flown over to Great britain, and later put in service, i believe it was 5 machines

Then the others, around 15+ (norway had 24 of thiese planes) were taken/captured bu the Germans, and then they repainted it, with german camouflage, paint, swastikas, new radio etc, the machineguns were possibly replaced by some german ones

They were after the german configuration transferred to Finland, luftwaffe. From what i have understood they were used for training by Luftwaffe and then later, in 1941 Some (ca.13 planes) sold to Finland, not sure about the rest of their story

So, the question is;

Should it be added as a Norwegian plane only?
Should it be added as a German plane only?
Should it be added as a Finnish plane only?

Or should Norway get it’s verison, and Germany it’s verison?

I dont think finland did something to it after they bought some of them, but they might have.

And Britain will of cource have their verison first before all others, that is self saying.

I hope any of you have understood what i meant here, there are some ground vehicles as well with a simlar situation. And this will be an issue no matter if it is a new subtree or a techtree

No offense, but I don’t think Norway would work as a solo tree. Primarily because:

  • A huge portion of the tree is just an imported vehicles with very little to no difference compared to the original version.

  • There are considerable numbers of the same vehicle with only minor differences (like plenty of Chevrolet and Ford trucks with different guns, which feels like adding a bunch of technicals into the different branch and treating it as “unique vehicle”), which to me looks like an attempt to fill the missing gap with whatever you could find.

  • The placement of vehicle in the tech tree are… questionable at best. The vehicle seems to be only placed based on the operator with no synergy whatsoever. The “anti-air” tree are the worst offenders, as there are huge gap that were placed with random assortments of vehicles that some of them doesn’t even have anti-air capability.

  • Since you’ve included a large number of vehicles used by the Danish and Icelandic army, this means the tree is not really a “Norwegian” tree, and more of a hollowed-out Scandinavian tree. Given that Sweden and Finland, another Scandinavian countries, were already represented in-game, I don’t think we needed another Sweden-esque tree in the game, especially when it doesn’t offers enough new stuff to justify making a separate tree in the game.

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The longer I look at this presentation the worse things get for me.

Vehicles at different tanks than where they are in game such as rank I Pz.III N and Pz.IV with long 75. Not only that, but for some reason all at different BRs too? Not sure when the Pz.IVs with long 75 became a 1.3 vehicle.

Vehicles that literally cannot function in the game as things stand, such as mortar carriers and the Honest John launchers.

Absolutely horrendous line design, such as the NASAMS somehow topping a tank line.

In my opinion an NDI tree shouldn’t exist, but if it were proposed it should definitely be a much better and more sensical presentation than this.
Nevermind the absolute lack of information given for these vehicles. I’m not sure how this got passed as a serious suggestion.

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As i have said a THOUSAND times

I am working on improving it, the lineups, br, everything, and i have stated why they are placed the way they are. I dont know exactly what br etc certain vehicles are supposed to be, and some are impossible for me to decide, like the honest john, nasams hml, ss.11, willys jeep etc etc

As i have stated in the suggestions, such as the honest john i have shown/explained it, and it will work

““I’m not sure how this got passed as a serious suggestion.””

What is wrong with it? It is just a SUGGESTION.
Is it the fact that it is not of a nation you like?
Is it the reason that i made it?
Is it the reason that you dont even bother to read anything in the post before jumping to conclusions?

Now, dont let this thread transform into the usual squabbling stuff, i have absolutely NO interest in it, but it looks like you REALLY enjoy to provoke this instead of having a rather “polite” discussion… oh mabye that is the reason! But there is no point.

Anyways, i am open for advice, suggestions, tips etc that would make the tree better, wich i have also said many many times. I have already recieved some, that i have been working out of ans this verison of the tree has been changed quite a bit, so a better tree will be provided in the next weeks/months (i got a lot of stuff to do).

Btw The variants i am working on are these.

  1. Everything included (this tree)
  2. Everything included (vehicles such as HJ/MORTAR are sorted out)
  3. 100% unique verison
  4. Everything included subtree
  5. Everything included subtree (sorted out)
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shhh don’t question the mods

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Advice will be provided.

  1. Don’t change the BR of vehicles that are already present in game, we already have a BR for them. There is no reason why you had to lower the Pz.III N BR by 1. There is no reason why you had to lower the BR of a long barreled Pz.IV to 1.3 .

  2. Don’t change the tiers of vehicles that are already in game. There is no reason for Pz.III N to be dropped a rank, there is no reason for long barreled Pz.IV by a tank.

  3. Don’t add vehicles to a tree with the assumption that Gaijin would add new features in order to make them function. There is no real excuse to add mortar carriers without any direct fire ability or good shells to target armored vehicles to begin with just because of the assumption that Gaijin would add some sort of artillery feature.

  4. Make lines have a defined purpose instead of making them a jumbled mess. Having a line that contains some mix of light vehicles, tanks and SPG is fine, but there is absolutely no excuse to cap it off with a SAM system or to include MBTs into a supposed SPAA line.

  5. Abstain from false advertisement. This is supposedly a “golden opportunity” to add Iceland, but no Icelandic vehicles are present whatsoever. Not like anyone asked for Iceland anyways, but false advertisement is a poor sport.

  6. When you receive criticism, don’t go on an immediate rant on how the writer of said criticism is biased. If you say that you are open to criticism then actually be.

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Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia, etc. should be implemented before this, obviously. As an Icelander, I chuckled when I read Iceland - we don’t even have an army, come on!

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Well, i haven’t said it has to be implemented now or before anyone else. 1 year or 10 years, well, it is the same

If you are an Icelander you should know about your coast guard and your homeguard (i dont remember the name just now) youre a Not-militarizing nation but you got some stuff, worthy of an inplemention

I generally support addition of new nations as long as they meet some standards and I’m not gonna lie, current form of the Tech Tree does not look good.

First of all, you must set proper Branches, right now vehicles are all over the place. Why does NASAMS on Medium/Main Battle Tank Branch ? Why K2 is on Anti-Air Branch ? Simply swapping places of these two vehicles would make it more appealing.

You have more than enough tank destroyer to make one Branch, you should bring them together instead of spreading them to make it look like Tech Tree has no gaps, if there are gaps leave them be. As a personal note, NM-116 does not bring anything to Tech Tree as Tank Destroyer, it would be better to classify it as Light Tank as you don’t really need a Tank Destroyer at the bracket. (I know what NM stands for, real-life classifications and doctrines differs from country to country, it is purely for gameplay purposes.)

What you should do is to split your Tech Tree into 4 or 5 Branches (5 if there are enough vehicles to make two Medium/Heavy/Main Battle Tank Branch, 4 if not).

I’m not really sure if Sweden really needs Norway and/or Denmark since Sweden already has anything a Tech Tree needs. Addition of Norway and Denmark might be redundant in Sweden but I’m not really sure what is the right way of implementation. Though, would support a proper suggestion Norway alongside Denmark but I don’t really support your project in this form, If you consider my and other suggestions and present more refined version, I will definitely support it, so I’m not voting for anything just yet

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It is quite messy, but i have been working on it lately, and been trying to make it better, still not finished but hopefully soon!

I can change the Norwegian Model 116 to a light tank, the reason i choose Tank Destroyer is because that was what it was classified as historically in real life. In Norwegian that is “Panserjager”

If you talk to people that has served with this tank, you will hear it being called “panserjaget” - “tank hunted” directly translated lol, due to its bad mobility

in my opinion do separate these nations from the Swedish tree would have some benefits, the Swedish/Finnish tree doesn’t need the Norwegian and danish vehicles, and adding those might even have negative consequences on the tree, both in terms of space, grind and conflicts regarding certain vehicles

Thank you for the feedback :)

Small update on the post

Here are the change as well

Spoiler

https://i.ibb.co/rvG9bwW/imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-g-Lyn-ND2-PWa.jpg

This is a substantial improvement over the previous version!
Well structured and more appealing.

Tier III is very lacking though and the SPAA line has huge gaps (as well as the HJ launchers that really don’t fit in the line or the game at all). Is there perhaps more options to flesh these out?

There are some vehicles that i am going to add/redirect to fill the line, this and others

Might place them as event vehicles also. From what i have seen trough documentaries (videos) they can be aimed, horisontally and vertically, so there might work. But when placed as a event vehicle those wro Honest John’s arent that important, kinda.

if the devs do decide to consider those launchers one day, it would be nice, one never know

this is a deranged idea and the fact the poll, as of writing this, is 45% No and 44% yes with 11% being unsure, is c o n c e r n i n g

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Now this post has been here for a little while and the first verison wich was pretty bad are the reason for a lot of no’s, i changed the techtree one day ago, if i had that techtree to ebgin with, the results might have been a little different

But, this is just a suggestion and now the devs and players know there us another possibility :)

The reorganized tech tree certainly looks much better. Though I’m still doubtful that Gaijin would make this a separate tree given the addition of Norwegian VIDAR as Swedish premium.

I’m not against adding some of these unique vehicles in the Swedish tree though. Given that Gaijin seems to now wanted to turn the Swedish tree into a hub for Scandinavian/Nordic countries, we might see more of these vehicles in the future.

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I have updated the techtree again

Here are the changes

  • Added more vehicles, the tree now has 109x vehicles
    -M29 Water weasel
    -M7B2 panserjager
    -CV9030N Mk.3 OPV
    -CV9030N Mk.3 STRILED
    -Leopard 2A8NOR
    -ACSV NASAMS
    -Willys M38A1
    -Nimbus MC

  • Removed vehicles wich doesnt have place in warthunder (yet in warthunders current development) being the Honest john launchers and mortar carriers

  • Recounted the vehicles and number of unique has increased from 72 to 85 giving 78%

  • Placements, lines, names and battleratings has been changed

Here is the new techtree picture as well

Spoiler

https://i.ibb.co/xH0Wr03/imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-5-Ou4l-Ryw-SPo.jpg

suggestions, advice or ideas are very much welcome

The techtree will have more upgrades

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