It´s 100% awesome when teams spawn 20km away from each other and have a minute of shell flight. Naval is shit and it should be removed.
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It would be interesting to know the average plays per player. Also, it would be great to know the number of the unique players, as some can play both modes here and there, so they would look like two different players. New players could try a match or two in both modes and move on to tanks or planes.
As for me, I barely play anymore. Haven’t progressed much last couple of weeks. I can play a match, my team gets steamrolled and I just sit there wondering how much longer these crappy matches will last. What is even the point of all of it? I was as low as 43% win rate for the month. This is just dumb.
Nerfed income from nerfed aim and increased shell scatter while changing the trajectory of the shells, so they go out into space and land after a longer amount of time. You can shoot multiple salvos without being able to correct your aim. So many matches people end up with 0-2 kills at high tiers. Mostly shooting bots that rush forward. In death circle maps you are forced to kill them, as they are bleeding points. This gets old really fast. This game has no soul anymore, just a synthetic drivel.
I’m supposed to do this event, but I haven’t even started it, yet. It’s the end of the second day and I’m asking myself a question if it’s even worth the grind for 9x45K over the 18 days total. I gotta catch up with the BP a bit, so doing this event would help. I really need a break from this stupid endless grind. Fun was sucked out of this game a very long time ago.
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Seeing this makes me not even want to bother with the mode. Arcade should be for those who are just getting used to the game (say if you’re coming from WOWS or something similar) before moving onto RB. Eh, whatever. I’m grinding the event in RB using Pr. 206 and BM-21 slinger coastal boats and then I’ll be on my merry way back to ground. Will probably not even use this event boat. Least the event is easy, 2x modifier is good.
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Another event and every second match ends in disconnection…
As for the topic of number of players, as a naval player myself I sometimes think that more people play hardcore tabletop strategic naval games, from Avalanche press for example, than WT naval :/
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Ugh, that would be annoying. Haven’t had a single disconnection thus far doing the event, thankfully (Playing US server / 0% PL)
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If we knew the number of unique players, we could easily calculate the average number of battles per player.
Technically, this is possible using Global Statistics data from StatShark, but there is a problem with this method. If you’re interested, I explained the details here:
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For this reason, I wouldn’t mix these two stats. Hopefully, one day the War Thunder devs will fix the leaderboard bug so we can make this kind of comparison.
And this is why I track the number of sessions (the number of battles played by real players, excluding AI bots). It’s the best way to measure the popularity of a game mode.
It’s not perfect, there’s still the issue of different average battle lengths across game modes. But it’s not too significant. You can check Bruce’s topic that addresses this:
Even if you account for the average battle time per game mode, it doesn’t change much.
The funny thing is that after the devs changed the aiming system in Naval Arcade, I decided to stop playing Naval altogether. As a result, I also stopped buying the Battle Pass (Naval was my main game mode, where I completed most tasks). And since I no longer play Naval, I’ve also stopped participating in Naval events. For about five years I hadn’t missed a single one, but now I just ignore them.
What’s surprising is how much more free time I have now. I finally have time for other things in my life. Before, I cared too much about War Thunder, and there was always something to do in the game: daily tasks, challenges, events. Nowadays, I only focus on daily logins and maintaining some squadron activity. I rarely even take part in Air or Ground events, I skip most of them these days.
Just this one aiming change ended up changing my life. And honestly, I’m really happy about it. It finally pulled me out of War Thunder’s addiction. I no longer feel like I have to play War Thunder every single day.
I disagree with this statement, these are two different game modes. Using the same logic, every good Ground or Air player should only play SB. In my opinion, people should play what they enjoy most, no matter which game mode it is.
I also disagree with the idea that Realistic is always harder than Arcade. It really depends on what you play. For example, try flying bombers in Air Arcade versus Air Realistic. Achieving good results with a bomber in Air Arcade is very difficult, whereas flying a rank 1-5 bomber in Air Realistic is generally much easier.
For me, the game doesn’t work like this: Arcade for new players, Realistic for average players, and Sim for good players. I just don’t see any logic in that kind of classification.
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That’s a terrible example that doesn’t even involve naval vessels.
Trust me, as a Pr. 206 user, my life would be much easier if I played naval arcade.
Edit:
I do agree, despite what I said earlier.
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Nah skill isure
Me as well. For 12+ years I’ve plugged away at tech trees, but it was Naval that had me showing every day, grinding every event, buying or earning every battlepass. With the aim change, my overall desire to play at all has tanked.
I still think War Thunder is a game without peer. It’s just what they did to Naval was so gross, it turned me off.
I try to jump into a tank or plane match but, I’m pretty disgusted with the company right now. It was a pretty violent change to mechanics without any real input from the community. And naval being so small, it’s pretty defenseless.
I’m still playing other games but, yeah. It IS freeing.
We’ll see how the trend trends. Growth is stagnating. Perhaps because the back-to-back hype is over. The fact that realistic is falling harder could be due to its exponentially harder aim mechanic in-light-of ZERO analogue to Arcade (now). People have no real context of how it works. No training wheels.
But it is still hella early. Few more months.
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Will the Yamato continue this crap?
It can’t take bullets, it explodes with any shot… anyway… the most armored ship in history with the worst performance… the Soyuz, which doesn’t even exist, is the strongest of the battleships… regrettable
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I suggest you discuss Yamato over here:
In short, however, Yamato’s problems stem from its fundamental design coupled with overly volatile ammo racks as a game mechanic. I would suggest testing it on the dev server, though, because in the next update a bug is being fixed with the Yamato which should improve the survivability of secondary ammo detonations.
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today I almost agree, but remain hopeful
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drop south kvarken conquest (so much worse after the last changes, and it was always the most annoying map)
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rework all maps and spawns to take the increased accuracy into account (as much as we’re in a time of flux, boat and light fleet spawns are ridiculous, heavy fleet mostly has an open spawn and in or close to cover spawn already)
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boost BR for SKR-7 and Pr206 BR (ammo limits were not much of an issue before, but basically nothing now, compared to powerful single gun boats they cannot be suppressed)
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increase the BR or reduce the toughness of the French boats
Today it was (almost literally) kvarken, kvarken, kvarken, SKR-7, SKR-7… and with the French boats ruining the fun runaround and “running out of daytime” thing that was low BR I’m ending the day without finishing tasks. Sure it was a frustrating day too, but this is a game, it should help me with that, not make it worse :)
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Huge +1, even though I have both, they are an absolute menace with the current BR “brackets”. I would prefer more “decompression” so that other higher BR/greatly effective coastals can still duke it out with them in the same match. But something absolutely needs to be done about these things wiping out 5-10 enemy coastal botes every spawn. NOT every match, every SPAWN.
Alternatively (and I do not advocate for this solution as a first option) would be to reduce their fire rate OR increase how quickly they overheat. And then, if the overheat was increased, I would really like a keybind to select different fire rates for them. At least fast/slow, but fast/medium/slow would be nice too.
ALSO/OR for the crazy autocannon coastals like the Pr206, I think that super fast fire rate could induce decreased accuracy, thus giving the player a choice of high fire rate with reduced accuracy, versus slow fire rate with good accuracy.
If the “nerfs”/changes to those specific botes was done without a change in BR, I think it would need to be all of the options combined:
- Reduced fire rate (at the very very least if the following options are not implemented, but I would still prefer a fire rate selector keybind, coupled with reduced accuracy+increased overheat for fast fire mode)
- Increased overheat
- Increased inaccuracy with fast fire rate
- Fire rate speed control
Other possible options for balancing:
- Decrease their shell’s effectiveness especially the Pr206. Could make them shatter more often Etc.
I am personally not opposed to these types of boats being quite powerful and effective, but in their current state and the BR they sit at it really is unfair. I do have a handful of boats that can counter them, but they are all at least at the same BR or higher. But any coastal boat that gets up tiered and faces the SKR or Pr206 is Dead on Arrival.
As an aside, I would love to have the ability to spawn 3 Blue Water Boats and 3 coastal boats per match, specifically for arcade. That would make me much more willing to hop in a coastal boat to contest the capture points without having to worry about running out of spawns a few minutes into the match. Especially if the Devs will not reduce the ticket bleed from one or two points being captured in Naval matches.
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interesting, perhaps just removing the AP-T from the belts would work too but like with RoF, heating, etc, I’m not sure how that fits into game principles regarding reality.
I’d also be happy for every nation to have a small seaplane in their tree, for them to spawn at a ‘seaplane’ spawn, which could be in the water, that is more appropriate to their speed and (with the new spawn rules) maybe a no bomb loadout, opening up another tactic off air points, and giving spawned fighters more to do, and all players a few more air targets for tasks.
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this, why Britain still has only Sunderlands while Sweden without naval trees has Arado for… what?
Japanese A6M2-N has secured quite a lot wins for me
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Its a no brainer and eady to achive if they took naval seriously.
Osprey and Walrus are already modelled for ship launch. Likewise the Kingfisher has an existing RN ships flight skin.
Swordish would simply need new floats as they were built with dual use in mind.
For more oomph theres Float Spitfires. They saw limited operational use in rhe Suez zone so no arguements about prototypes in the tree.
And thats just the tip as there are Blackburns, Faireys and Fokkers that wore British roundels waiting in the wings. A little more effort but worth it in the long run.
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yeah I would take just any. Just find this funny that Britain is the only nation lacking air tree float plane, with worst ship based float planes, and also not a single prem with a float plane (despite it seems like useless, this is huge SL income from capping)
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In fairness for a ship to have it itd have to be very early war or interwar since we removed them from our ships pretty much entirely
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If they’re waiting for the major update to fix things, this does not makes sense to me since there have been big changes outside the major updates to get us into this situation, most players would prefer rolling changes over consistent frustration.
hopefully they’re just wanting to generate some stats and really really tie stuff down, but this leads to any seriously disappointing aspects of the next update probably seeing the mode’s deracinated players find something else.
it’s sad that many lost a niche, and since NRB is complete nonsense I do feel for the players who’d learned the old system and don’t get the same things out of the new, the lack of excessively decorated boats and the amount of clueless island hiders in matches shows that lots have stopped playing IMO.
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After the ammo nerf and the “fantastic” aim change they were OK as they were facing mostly DD that could counter them BUT someone at GJ had another great idea to push all these DD at BR 5 and 5,3.
So we are again at the point that they are againr oaming free making 10 kills per game.
The fun part is that this is made worse by the fact that now with the event they are common in 3,3 and 4 and they absolutely destoying everything, why I don’t see them at 3,7 is a mystery I don’t understand.
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