Try using a Mogador against any of them and see how far you get. Secondary guns will also sink you within seconds. Don’t know why you think 6" of armour is almost nothing, a BR of 4.3 is the only sensible route because for some stupid reason even Bots are battlecruisers. The game IS BROKEN.
Oh yes they are!!!
Try using a destroyer without any torpedoes at all against them then come back to me
Torpedoes are USELESS if they hide behind anything as a static battery as most of them do.
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