Move Wyvern S4 to 4.7 5.0 or 5.3. PLEASE

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So… Typhoon FGR4 entered service in 2008. Mirage 2KD RMV entered service in 2021. Therefore the Typhoon should be a lower BR than the Mirage 2KD RMV?

Year of service means nothing, it has no impact on BR or placement. Otherwise you’d see vehicles like the 2S38 which has yet to enter service, at a higher BR than the Challenger Mk2. About 45 years difference.

Yes? 4.3 Wyvern vs 4.3 Spitfire, Spitfire wins most of the time. Its got good dive speed, because its a dive bomber. But no faster than something like an FW190 in a dive. Flat line speed its average. Not a lot faster than the Sptifire at that BR, and probably slower than a few like the Yak-3 and XP-50.

The only real advantages the Wyvern actually has, is:

  1. Air spawn

  2. Large ammo count of 20mm allowing for Spray and Pray (in the equivalent BR Sptifire you have to be fairly conservative)

The Wyvern is actually quite a fragile aircraft for the BR, being water cooled, it doesnt take much to rather cripple the airframe, only needs a few good hits, even with lighter weapons. I’d still consider aircraft like the Yak-3 are far more deadly aircraft to encounter than the Wyvern and upping its BR would just render it DOA. Best option is to just remove it airspawn, but that goes for many, like the XP-50

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The wyvern is a great example of why we need decompression.
Ungodly broken in a downtier and bad in a uptier.
However its speed helps it stay alive

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It has an impact on plain flight performance. Your comparisons make no sense as we run into an apple vs orange situation - at least at prop BRs in Air RB.

If it would mean nothing we would not see a 262s at 7.0 whilst their actual irl opponents sit at 4.0 - 4.7 (P-51 D-30, F8F, F4U-4b, Spit F. 22 & 24 or the P-51 H-5 are post WW2 and/or never saw combat in WW 2).

I can go 930 kmph TAS in a dive in a P-47 (the 3.7 one) but as soon as i miscalculate my and the energy state of the Wyvern i lose way more energy than he does in this dive - that’s why i mentioned the safety net of 2 km alt which experienced Wyvern pilots use - this allows them to increase their speed with a slight dive - draining your energy.

So the longer you need for your dive attack the more energy you lose in this dive whilst the high speed acceleration of a Wyvern is not bad - so you need a perfect timing as your firing window becomes very small as soon you get below 2 km.

I mean i wrote above:

This was when the plane was 4.0 - the high rip speed at very high alt is even more impressive.

Same here - you need a 5.0 D-9 with enough altitude advantage as you have to get with 7-800 meters (at very high speeds) in order to hit anything with your 20 mm MG 151s - since they were nerfed in June/July last year. I mean i caught a Spit going 800 kmph on the deck with a He 162 coming in with 937 kmph out of dive - see my bug report.

Wyverns vs Spits - how often does this actually happen? Israeli Spits are the only possibility for such encounters and the 4.3 Spit is slow af for a 4.3 plane; at least on the deck - and the XP-50 is equally slow on the deck whilst has an extremely low rip speed of ~ 700 kmph TAS.

That is the difference between having an opinion and having killed several hundreds of Wyverns over the years.

I see this claim in several threads and i have zero clue why nobody tries to think about this.

Just ask yourself: When did gaijin ever removed an airspawn for a single premium aircraft? They would reduce the sales (highly unlikely) and would also indirectly admit that their BR setting policy and balancing aircraft with airspawns at lower ranks is crap (even more unlikely) and on top all Wyvern customers would be infuriated (extremely unlikely).

I disagree regarding uptiers.

I played a lot (~100) of 5.0/5.3 matches in Air RB in the last months (A7M2, Ki-84 ko, 109 G-6 and a hell of full uptiers in the B-18B) - and i saw hundreds of enemies dying to Wyverns - it doesn’t matter if we talk about 5.0 Me 264s or 5.0 Yak or 5.3 P-47 Ms, the quality of their pilots decide quite often these encounters as their early game presence.

So the basic rule (get asap above 5 km to be somehow safe from the spraying 1.200 x 20 mm attacks) is valid there too - the sole difference is imho that way more pilots are able to catch a Wyvern.

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Decompression has nothing to do with it, it’s straight undertiered.

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its only merit is speed. and there’s a good amount of fighters that are just as fast. if it has to turn once its dead. The only reason its a problem is because heavy bombers don’t have their own bases separate from the strike bombers

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Realise the Wyvern is a strike aircraft
It’s like putting an IL-2 at 1.0 because it can’t fight 109s

idk why the Wyvern is allowed to larp as a fat 4.0 Tempest II but it’s ridiculous, it was absolutely fine at 5.0.

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and Air spawn and large amount of 20mm can intercept bombers and other strike aircraft rather well.

But if it was runway spawn, it would be average

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True you can take a base then go face first into the closest flight of bombers and often get back to the airfield but its almost never played like this. its mostly just used to farm bases unless a cracked player challenges themselves to take the speeding brick into dogfight territory.

would be very mid agreed. that air spawn carries it so hard

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Ok, i think that if you move it up it will be destroyed in uptiers but rn it destroys people in a downtier

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the average 5.0 is faster, more agile and just as punchy in the ordinance department.
its like putting an IL2 at 6.7 so it fights spitfire mk24s and SU9s

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It does 650kph on the deck; it’s faster than most 5.7s let alone 5.0s, you are drunk

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it does about 400mph on the deck yes. but its doing that right underneath the enemy fighters that just took off, got to speed and have enough energy potential to dive on you and kill you very easily.

a wyvern cant outrun a P51, xp50, fw190 or LA-7 in a slight dive and its had to head on with them, dump 3000lbs of bombs and turn around first

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it’s balanced on its performance.

If it was overperforming it would be put higher on BR

And i am gonna disregard rest of your post, as it is simply ad personam ragebait

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Yeah, given Gaijins reputation when it comes to Britain. It’s more likely to be over BRed than under BRed

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Exactly.

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Yes it can lmao
Even a P-51D and 190 Dora has to dive from low earth orbit to reliably catch a Wyvern with 3km altitude in a 10deg dive
Even if the Wyvern is on the floor at full speed you have sacrifice insane amounts of energy just to tag a ground attack plane

BRs really shouldn’t be dictated by the players need to fly into the entire enemy team to bomb a base

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Don’t get this wrong, but it sounds like skill issue.
Those planes can catch wyvern in dive without issues

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If the Wyvern is paying no attention it can get caught by most things without issue

If it is, almost nothing can catch it without massive energy discrepancies

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UK vehicle being really strong.

Nothing to see here.

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At sea level, the Wyvern will outrun almost every single prop in the entire game. I think that only the P-51H, Bearcat, and the late corsairs.

It needs to have it’s airspawn removed, or else it should go up in BR. It shouldn’t do speed better than the Do-335, or anything that Japan and Russia have.