BR are not historical, and is not tied to years of production. Thats why you have 1980 tank fighting 1940 tanks, and thats why you have 1950s plane fighting 1940s tanks
And it is not pay to win, because wyvern is balanced where it is.
There is literally none negative chat directed at wyvern players
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True, but everyone rather blame players or want to nerf specific planes instead of trying to force gjn to change anything.
Limitation of plane sorts would be an easy change, we talked about a lot, but gjn ignores it over years.
Additionally, especially at high tiers, a working loadout view in the scoreboard would help somewhat. Bug reported many times, totally ignored.
Wyvern is under-tiered and we all know it. Wyvern is pay to win and we all know that too (few fighters can even catch one at the BR its at - and if you don’t happen to have one that can left in your team you are screwed).
No actually - I tended to mouth off much more at team killers. Don’t know what games you’ve been playing, but I guess you mustn’t have paid much attention to the chat in relation to Wyvern players stealing bomber targets (you were probably the one doing it). If some poor bomber pilot marks a target you will sometimes even see a Wyvern change course just to annoy him.
Of course there are problems in higher tiers with aircraft like the Tornado. I’m not saying there aren’t.
And tier DOES matter! Of course it does. Move the Wyvern up a little and it causes less problems. Moreover, LIMIT th4e number allowed in a game to a max of 4 or something and it gives their opponents more of a chance. Ever seen how long a game lasts when 4-6 Wyverns are ground attacking?
Look, I offered a solution to these problems based on who marks the targets first. The nice thing about that is it applies to ANY aircraft at any tier. Its key advantage? The lumbering bomber knows in advance that the target is already marked and can adjust accordingly. If, as a bomber pilot, you have to make some sort of course adjustment half way through your run then you are basically screwed. You have a chance if you know what you are doing at the start of the game. War thunder isn’t just about fighters, though it may be to some of you mavericks.
Anyone who doesn’t get irked by Wyverns stealing bases obviously doesn’t fly bombers, nor care about developing that line.
I hope it stays 4.3 in ground, I find the 3.3 Hellcat much preferable for ground pounding.
Guess that because you have it, right?! I think it is about right at 5.0. But that’s just me. The Hellcat doesn’t seem to do that well overall. Perhaps you have the knack for it.
Balanced based on what? Your opinion?
I mean if you would have played more than 1.090 Air RB battles in total you might have actual experience to validate your claim…
Same as this:
You simply lack any long-term Air RB experience - without that your whole position is not really backed up by in-game experience.
Especially during grinding events is is very common to see 6-8 in one match; 10 was the most i have seen - there is no slot limit for strike aircraft in Air RB.
This is a fact-free opinion if you look up the definition of p2w.
The early game presence flown as fighter simply allows subpar players to collect easy frags; the few experienced pilots using them as fighter can stay untouchable if the play it like an early jet.
Don’t get me wrong: There is nothing bad investing a few bucks to buy an op vehicle - just try to be honest.
This is an honest statement of a far more experienced pilot describing the impact of above average pilots:
Nothing more to add…
This is the reality:
I fully agree.
It makes zero sense to fly out a 4 engine bomber in Air RB and hoping that you can outrun a Wyvern or that you are able to bomb a base first. Actually successful (=dropping and rtb safely) bomber pilots time their route so that they avoid interceptors and are ready to bomb bases after the base respawn…
Imho your requests are a bit off-topic:
This is a bold statement - and you are way too experienced to repeat this in infinite loops. 11 years between a 1942 service aircraft (109 G-2) and a Wyvern (1953) are light years in aviation.
There is not a single aircraft which is able to match the dive speed and speed on the deck - as long as the Wyvern pilot uses speed and a safety net (=2 km altitude) any fighter diving on them can be out run at this BR.
Speed: See above. Turning? Seriously? U compare turn performance??? With a Spitfire???
Ofc Wyverns are way more annoying:
I agree to this fully.
As stated earlier: There is nothing wrong with buying an easy to use aircraft that can be flown (in Air RB) with brain on stand-by. But it is extremely funny when their users claim that everything is fine, nothing to see here…
Idc about Wyvern BRs outside Air RB - and even within Air RB you can deal with them as long as average players use them for bombing stuff. But as soon as you meet a good pilot in them they are a pain in the ass to fight and decide more than often the numbers game.
So the current BR of 4.3 in Air RB reflects just the average user and the premium character of it - that’s why experienced pilots fly them with great success ( like in post #63) - from my pov the Yak-3 spam at 4.0/4.3 has a much larger game impact that the average Wyvern pilot.
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Reality is no place where unicorns meet each other to have a chat. My post was flagged as “offensive” - i can’t stop laughing.
Now we see the unicorn version…
So… Typhoon FGR4 entered service in 2008. Mirage 2KD RMV entered service in 2021. Therefore the Typhoon should be a lower BR than the Mirage 2KD RMV?
Year of service means nothing, it has no impact on BR or placement. Otherwise you’d see vehicles like the 2S38 which has yet to enter service, at a higher BR than the Challenger Mk2. About 45 years difference.
Yes? 4.3 Wyvern vs 4.3 Spitfire, Spitfire wins most of the time. Its got good dive speed, because its a dive bomber. But no faster than something like an FW190 in a dive. Flat line speed its average. Not a lot faster than the Sptifire at that BR, and probably slower than a few like the Yak-3 and XP-50.
The only real advantages the Wyvern actually has, is:
Air spawn
Large ammo count of 20mm allowing for Spray and Pray (in the equivalent BR Sptifire you have to be fairly conservative)
The Wyvern is actually quite a fragile aircraft for the BR, being water cooled, it doesnt take much to rather cripple the airframe, only needs a few good hits, even with lighter weapons. I’d still consider aircraft like the Yak-3 are far more deadly aircraft to encounter than the Wyvern and upping its BR would just render it DOA. Best option is to just remove it airspawn, but that goes for many, like the XP-50
The wyvern is a great example of why we need decompression.
Ungodly broken in a downtier and bad in a uptier.
However its speed helps it stay alive
It has an impact on plain flight performance. Your comparisons make no sense as we run into an apple vs orange situation - at least at prop BRs in Air RB.
If it would mean nothing we would not see a 262s at 7.0 whilst their actual irl opponents sit at 4.0 - 4.7 (P-51 D-30, F8F, F4U-4b, Spit F. 22 & 24 or the P-51 H-5 are post WW2 and/or never saw combat in WW 2).
I can go 930 kmph TAS in a dive in a P-47 (the 3.7 one) but as soon as i miscalculate my and the energy state of the Wyvern i lose way more energy than he does in this dive - that’s why i mentioned the safety net of 2 km alt which experienced Wyvern pilots use - this allows them to increase their speed with a slight dive - draining your energy.
So the longer you need for your dive attack the more energy you lose in this dive whilst the high speed acceleration of a Wyvern is not bad - so you need a perfect timing as your firing window becomes very small as soon you get below 2 km.
I mean i wrote above:
This was when the plane was 4.0 - the high rip speed at very high alt is even more impressive.
Same here - you need a 5.0 D-9 with enough altitude advantage as you have to get with 7-800 meters (at very high speeds) in order to hit anything with your 20 mm MG 151s - since they were nerfed in June/July last year. I mean i caught a Spit going 800 kmph on the deck with a He 162 coming in with 937 kmph out of dive - see my bug report.
Wyverns vs Spits - how often does this actually happen? Israeli Spits are the only possibility for such encounters and the 4.3 Spit is slow af for a 4.3 plane; at least on the deck - and the XP-50 is equally slow on the deck whilst has an extremely low rip speed of ~ 700 kmph TAS.
That is the difference between having an opinion and having killed several hundreds of Wyverns over the years.
I see this claim in several threads and i have zero clue why nobody tries to think about this.
Just ask yourself: When did gaijin ever removed an airspawn for a single premium aircraft? They would reduce the sales (highly unlikely) and would also indirectly admit that their BR setting policy and balancing aircraft with airspawns at lower ranks is crap (even more unlikely) and on top all Wyvern customers would be infuriated (extremely unlikely).
I disagree regarding uptiers.
I played a lot (~100) of 5.0/5.3 matches in Air RB in the last months (A7M2, Ki-84 ko, 109 G-6 and a hell of full uptiers in the B-18B) - and i saw hundreds of enemies dying to Wyverns - it doesn’t matter if we talk about 5.0 Me 264s or 5.0 Yak or 5.3 P-47 Ms, the quality of their pilots decide quite often these encounters as their early game presence.
So the basic rule (get asap above 5 km to be somehow safe from the spraying 1.200 x 20 mm attacks) is valid there too - the sole difference is imho that way more pilots are able to catch a Wyvern.
Decompression has nothing to do with it, it’s straight undertiered.
its only merit is speed. and there’s a good amount of fighters that are just as fast. if it has to turn once its dead. The only reason its a problem is because heavy bombers don’t have their own bases separate from the strike bombers
Realise the Wyvern is a strike aircraft
It’s like putting an IL-2 at 1.0 because it can’t fight 109s
idk why the Wyvern is allowed to larp as a fat 4.0 Tempest II but it’s ridiculous, it was absolutely fine at 5.0.
and Air spawn and large amount of 20mm can intercept bombers and other strike aircraft rather well.
But if it was runway spawn, it would be average
True you can take a base then go face first into the closest flight of bombers and often get back to the airfield but its almost never played like this. its mostly just used to farm bases unless a cracked player challenges themselves to take the speeding brick into dogfight territory.
would be very mid agreed. that air spawn carries it so hard
Ok, i think that if you move it up it will be destroyed in uptiers but rn it destroys people in a downtier
the average 5.0 is faster, more agile and just as punchy in the ordinance department.
its like putting an IL2 at 6.7 so it fights spitfire mk24s and SU9s
It does 650kph on the deck; it’s faster than most 5.7s let alone 5.0s, you are drunk
it does about 400mph on the deck yes. but its doing that right underneath the enemy fighters that just took off, got to speed and have enough energy potential to dive on you and kill you very easily.
a wyvern cant outrun a P51, xp50, fw190 or LA-7 in a slight dive and its had to head on with them, dump 3000lbs of bombs and turn around first
it’s balanced on its performance.
If it was overperforming it would be put higher on BR
And i am gonna disregard rest of your post, as it is simply ad personam ragebait
Yeah, given Gaijins reputation when it comes to Britain. It’s more likely to be over BRed than under BRed