it has some of the worst SARH in the game is how you should phrase it. The missile is barely even “BVR” considering its tiny range
It’s just bad. R-3R is often more useful.
then what is it because ive only heard of j35 using aim4
no, 9J and magic 1 are pretty close in range, the 9J just turns worse.
I’ll just respond to both of you at once
All 530s, except the Super 530D, use the same Distance tracking and are also Monopulse as is every radar missile
The range is yes not great but it is 12.5km baseline lock ( not factoring in speed and clouds etc)
A flight range of 18km which can translate to about 5km sea level at worst
15Gs is not great no but comparatively at 10.7 it is the normal amount of Gs for a SARH missile
The benefit is fire it at 5km or less and force the enemy to go defensive unless its a side on attack in which the Magic may be better but theres no threat of being BVR’s back in good time
If its an F4E thats forced defensive then its an easy dogfight
The Draken uses an AIM 26B, derivative and upgraded AIM 4
R3R is only good as most things dont even have an RWR at 9.0-9.7
Ive gotten kills with both R3R and R530 at 11.0 (21BIS) and old 10.3(IIIE) respectively
but “BVR” at that br is less about the long range snipes but instead the all aspect ability of the missile which is why i fire mine at relatively close range giving the enemy little chance to evade
If the enemy fires before I do then i have plenty of time to evade, especially in a delta thats very nimble and quick to notch
But even if the enemy evades my missile theyre now defensive and bled a fair amount of speed giving the perfect opportunity for a nimble aircraft, such as a mirage, to jump onto the opportunity
10.7 may not be the greatest BR for the Mirage IIIE
and 10.3 may not be the greatest BR for the XS
The bigger issue that scuffs the rating are the All aspect IR slingers which is why we have this situation and why BVR can be more crucial as an all aspect missile compared to the XS that has nothing and often ends up in a bad situation due to the these A10s or Su25s with all its 12 countermeasures
Also the Mirage IIIE has an RWR which the XS does not have giving it much greater counter BVR play
This is just catagorically incorrect. Almost every missile but the R530s use CW seekers, which are immune to chaff. This isn’t hidden information or anything, it’s available on the wiki. Go ahead and find me a Sparrow with a pulse seeker head. I’ll wait.
These pulse seekers are why French SARH missiles (especially the R530F) are considerably worse than their counterparts in other nations.
It’s biggest flaw is the delta V. It’s a very slow missile that quickly burns it speed in manuevers and cannot generate it very efficiently. This gives it a much shorter range against manuevering targets, and once it stops burning it’s incredibly easy to outroll it as it haemorrhages it’s very little speed very quickly and stops pulling any reasonable amount of Gs.
It absolutely won’t force the enemy to go defensive. Unless you consider slightly pulling and dropping a single blob of countermeasures “defensive”. And doubly so if the F-4E has already fired an AIM-7E at you, which requires you to notch and/or multipath it to avoid.
Yes, there will be players who see a SARH being fired at them and notch because they don’t know they don’t need to. But planning to capitalize on the stupidity of your enemies is not generally a good plan.
It’s very rare for an A-10/Su-25/A-6E to climb to a height where the RADAR can lock them, and even if they do the second they see something approaching them they’ll just start throwing flares and chaff out like crazy. They have RWRs, they’ll know what you’re planning if you’re paying attention. Those flares are part of why the difference between 2 Magic 1s and 6 AIM-9Js is so large. Both are easily oneflared, so ultimately it just costs less when a XS fires one to check if they’re paying attention.
Besides, unlike the flareless subsonics that they victimized, the XS (and other supersonics) have relatively little difficulty avoiding the range of those all aspect missiles. They almost always fly in a nice, predictable pack, and as long as you don’t overcommit to a fight near them, they’ll never be able to catch you. There’s a reason I almost never die to them in the IIIC, even without countermeasures.
Because these planes generally don’t see missiles that would require an RWR to counter, the difference in minimal. The only SARH missiles they see at the tier are other R530s, R-3Rs and AIM-9Cs (With the occasional AIM-7D from F-4C players with a deathwish). None of these can be fired outside a range where you won’t be able to see them come in with plenty of warning, and none are hard to defeat with the amount of warning you get.
Yes, both get uptiered into more competant RADAR missiles where RWRs are useful, but in those situations you shouldn’t really ever be climbing to a height where they can hit you in the first place. There’s no point trying to joust with the R530, and the XS doesn’t even have any RADAR missiles to use. There’s no reason not to just hug the deck.
unless the enemy has no countermeasures you do not need to go defensive to avoid an R530, 1 single chaff works fine
You’re telling me the J35XS is worse than a Jaguar GR.1A, and on par with something like a Super Etendard, and worthy of being .7 below the F-104G? That thing is criminally undertiered, what are you supposed to do against it with a plane like the Hunter F.6? Or a MiG-19? Why should a full BR suffer due to one plane, when said plane can do just fine at 10.7?
XS can’t bomb Attackers can bomb + you got incredible missile with them
Your argument is false
How you compare F-104G with XS did XS don’t get nerved to the ground ? how many times got flying characteristic screwed ? how many years F-104G was OP for his BR you did not mention that and again F-104 G can bomb and intercept XS can’t the only Job is interception again bs comparison
XS 12 CM 1 30mm Cannon + 6 missile Aim J basically + slower from F-104G first Turn XS is death no energy retention at all no bomb no Ability to take half of enemy base
F-104G 60CM - 4 AIM 9J +Vulcan + Bombs and Napalm very much usable before nerf and now
So ppl cry for the XS because they die hard to belive that 1 interceptor can make ppl Cry
How many years F-104 and Idiotic Mig-19 was dominating 9.3 BR killing with impunity 8.7s now they have counter there at 9.3 -10.3 bracket making the game more enjoyable playing 8.7 Jets before was horrible exp Pinata for tryhards
Your statements are False + saying what with Hunter F.6 well Gaijin is Gaijin SRAAM are the reason this same you can say for GR.1 is in horrible spot because was op as hell so they decide to chance it and now rarely see GR.1 in Game this same will happen with XS overtime knowing the crying player base
Gaijin will nerf it more so 70 Eur in the sink again
What with Vaoutur at 9.0 what with GR-1 at 9.7 I can go all day long here how many jets get screwed because of MM and BRs but seems to me some of you can’t stop blaming the XS for Skill Issue avoiding Aim J is like avoiding R3S stop making exiuses
I think Gaijin give to much credit to many of you with Constant nerf on Premium Vechicles sure it’s Buisness for them listing to cry baby and nerf hammer every think but similar think what will happen over time with Paying players giving up on this constant BS
They already nerf F-1 recently taking out CCIP now they nerf more fighters taking CCIP out remember some of them are 80$-EUR keep it up making the game great.
So you’re fine with 10.3s being untouchable to 9.7s?
Was the F104G ever good? the thing is 11.0 with starfighter flight performance and 4 AIM 9Js. The 35XS is 10.3 with 6 AIM-9Js and better flight performance, sure its bomb load isn’t great but you shouldn’t be bombing in that thing anyway, and any starfighter at 11.0 is dead in the water.
So why do they sit at a higher BR in air RB? Clearly 2 AIM-9Gs and abysmal flight performance is worthy of being a BR step higher than 6 AIM-9Js and the best FM for the bracket
MiG-19s and F104s are good, but they are completely hopeless against a J35XS, so what’s the difference here? I’m sure you’d whine if your 8.3 gets wiped by a 104/19, just as a lot of people here are irritated their 9.3s are getting demolished by the J35XS.
That’s new
Did it have CCIP irl? Do you have any proof it had CCIP irl? I doubt it, so a historical correction is a “Nerf” now?
1.Complete BS XS being untouchable
2.LMAO TAF is 11.3 not see ppl crying so much about it and still cost 70 EUR and have 6x AIM P yes P people bomb with it , its good NO hell NO but they still Bomb
3.XS sit at this BR because the flying performance is Crap yes is not the best frame at it’s BR I will take Mig-21S over XS all day long and they say next patch will go 9.3 yes 9.3 Aim 9G are long range missile AV-8 have them and is one of the best performing Harriers and is 9.7 don’t full your self Aim J are not Gs
4.No they are not completely hopless Mig-19 have the amazing energy retention can energy trap XS with make XS sitting duck this same goes for Q-5s this frame is criminal at 9.3 that’s why ppl play it
F-104 have the speed to outrun every think at it’s BR + Vulcan and Napalm
5.New it’s not new at least 6 years now Gaijin doing it who pay get Nerf hammer in his face
6.So what is irl it’s a game can you prof irl China have this tech performing like this as in Game No you can’t , because propaganda stats can you prove it.So one day they say irl the other it’s just a game because avoiding all the BS this way
To any 9.3, it is?
One of the most over BR’d planes in game, I don’t see many complaints about it as barely anyone is dumb enough to buy it.
Suuure buddy, its the best if not 2nd best 1v1 airframe between 10.0 and 11.0, behind the F-5C maybe
You can run away, or you can use the AIM-9Js
It’s an AV-8, and 9Gs are 1 flareable. Just run away, or do pretty much anything
Hammers aren’t fitted to any premiums that I know of, and premiums are often very strong for their BRs, such as the Sea Hawk MK50, said J35XS, premium harriers are quite decent too.
Why is china even remotely relevant to this conversation? I don’t know where gaijin finds their documents, nor do I truly care too much. If there’s nothing to prove the F-1 has CCIP, why should it have CCIP in game?
1.Dude you don’t get the point i can say what you say back to you why Valtour is 9.0 and need to play vs 10 BR and some of them don’t have bomb sight
2.So what is the difference with F-104G that you say barely any one dump to play it but must so need to cry for other Jets to get nerved because got missile in his @ss just LOL
3.Sure buddy once upon a time was amazing flying performance now is not first turn you die + the game is not 1 vs 1 the notion some ppl have about 1 vs 1 in game like this make me laugh
AIM J it’s not miracle missile yes you can flare it with just 1 flare and you can turn if you don’t have flares
this same go for Aim J
very stong well you will have stong jets too if get all the modification + You watch too much youtube
7.Because China have the best missile in late game not to mention middle BRs are pure fantasy example J-7E - J8B not even mention higher BR Jets Tanks and so on
Well we can agree and disagree in the end Gaijin will do what’s need to be done but is hilarious how ppl crying about premiums but avoiding Tree Vechicles
There are overpowered tech tree vehicles? I never tried to deny that? Look at the Ayit for example.
Can’t even tell what you’re trying to say here
Still is one of the best flight models at its BR, if you can’t beat things then I suggest you check your skill set.
Not sure how the second part is relevant, but not every jet is strong, even fully upgraded
Most planes can’t simply outturn a 9J, maybe you play the 35XS too much and have unrealistic ideas about flight performance around those battle ratings
Considering the fact you are nearly at a 2kd in the thing, of which you aren’t even close with most other vehicles, would show its very good at 10.3, and should be at 10.7
I assume you’re referring to the AIM-9G from earlier, of which you have now gone back on your arguement where you argued it was too good on harriers at 9.7.
PL5Bs are Chinas R550 Magic 1, which are pretty good but also flare hungry, and without the most range. They are also found on 10.7 planes such as the Mirage IIIE and J7D
Let’s start with me, K/D of 44 games on it, i have what I have, but you have 0 on it and don’t even have J35D that this same platform with no CMs, meaning try it first then come crying
I’ve gotten to squad up with my friend’s J35XS, I dont think he went a single game with less than 3 kills.
The F-104s also have been nerfed into the ground too. Both the F-104G and J35XS should be at 10.7.
How are Chinese missiles fantasy, and people certainly do complain about the BRs of TT vehicles too.
We do actually. Also what is this doubt about 1980s jet having CCIP?
To anything barring MiG21, F104 and F8, being the best of the BR, and that is simply to catch up.
BS.
BS again. You can out do MiG-19 in every single situation.
They don’t exist? all 9.7/10.0 RN, the furthest being 10.7. This is essentially a slightly better MiG-19, and worse as it is both heavier and worse guns.
Which is standard at this BR? no one has much better except A10/Su39/25s. Turn wise, u need to give it a nudge to make it work, but that is 100% achievable.
They both existed as they are, except J8B is a 1997 jet and J7E a 2003 one. And they are both 1 BR up for a reason.
From your logic, seems I can post about J35XS.
Then, it shouldn’t be 10.3BR.
Ayit can be 10.0 at the least, especially they can buff even more…
Don’t put your words in other ppl mouths
XS was at higher already fighting MLs and even F-14s guess what was the result
Use your brain first
Air RB needs decompression, and the XS no longer has the ability to face Tomcats. It can go up
The fact that 3 generations of Draken (J35A, J35D, and J35XS) are all able to see eachother in the same match is pretty stupid.
(Sorry not part of this conversation just wanted to mention that)
