The skyflash amd PD radar are why its 12.0
Combine that with 4 is it? 9Ls then it’ll ofc be 12.0
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I didnt think it was that bad, but maybe, still it only further reinforces my point, the gap between 2 otherwise identical planes with 6 aim9L or 6 r60m is massive, at least 1.0 br difference
Hardly , the issue shows compression on a huge scale.
The f104 and aj37 are absolutely pathetic for their respective BRs easily beaten by 11.0s.
The issue is we have stuff like the f16A which has one of the Best flight performance in the game with 6x 9Ls sitting at 12.3 and an f104 barely able to keep up a single br step below.
The br these planes sit at Is absolutely nothing to do with their weapons.
However the players performance with them.
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If that is the case, than A-10A would be like 9.3 or something in air rb lol. Maybe even 8.3 tbh.
LMAO using these two as the “start” of these missiles is funny
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I mean the a10s and su25s shouldn’t have been added at the BR they where added at.
Su25 was added at what? 9.7?
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9.3 iirc
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Absolutely ludicrous but to make sales needs must…
imagine JA37DI in 13.0
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Mirage 3E is higher BR than J35XS despite XS being better is kinda sad
Premium players need crutches
Eh debatably better
Mirage has BVR and more countermeasures and more guns and better IR missiles
XS is just better as a flight model and amount of missiles it carries as its main things
Radar is better on XS i think but thats hardly useful without any BVR
Shouldnt matter tho as XS should have BVR as its Radar missile has been added to the game now meaning it should go back up
no, matra 530 is extremely weak at 10.7, trying to use this as a pro equal to the j35’s pros is disingenious
only better in quality but you only have 33% of the missle load the j35 does when you account for the 530 being close to useless
aim-4? it wont be good
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BVR? The R530 is deadweight at the tier. The range is practically within spotting range, so the only time you’d be able to surprise someone is if you fire it through a cloud. It’s a pulse seeker, so a single blob of chaff anywhere near where it’s looking and it immediately gets decoyed. Even if they aren’t running chaff, the slow speed and mediocre pull make it pretty trivial to outroll.
Plus, if you try to go high to use it, you’ll often run into F-4Es and similar with CW seeker missiles, who will happily ignore your chaff and beam you long before your glacial 530 hits them in return.
It’s only useful on the IIIC, which due to it’s lower BR runs into more player who don’t run chaff, aren’t used to SARH missiles, or try to joust with inferior missiles like R-3Rs.
But it does, you cant just say it doesnt have BVR bc its not great
I have seen plenty of people get kills with it
Just because it isnt the AIM 7M doesnt mean its useless, much more situational and skill required (and a dash of luck) to get a solid kill
It also does not need to get a kill to give the Mirage an advantage as it forces the enemy to go defensive
Its not even an AIM 4
And its very nice actually
Yeah, greater range and G pull but lesser in numbers by 2/3
that is admittedly a greater deficit
But in most cases its down to time to target as to give people less chance to flare
This is the Mirages greatest disadvantage compared to contemporaries and is a common trend throughout the air tree
But as it stands the Mirage IIIE fits the ARB Meta more
The sparrows are also pulse seekers guided by a pulse radar
I agree at 10.7 it isnt exactly “it” but better than the XS’s none as its still a tool able to be used to your own benefit as stated in the comment above
The rest of what you said I cant really comment on as its just the same point 3 times
If this sends twice i apologise the forum had a moment on me
All Sparrows in game have CW seekers which are immune to chaff. Pulse seekers are only seen on the AIM-9C, the R-3R, and every French SARH missile outside the R530D.
The fact that the RADAR is pulse doesn’t matter, as even if the RADAR locks a blob of chaff the missile will ignore it and continue to home in on the original target, so long as it’s within the RADAR beam. It isn’t 100% consistent, but it will ignore chaff more often than not. Pulse missiles effectively never will, even higher tiered ones like the R350F (Which should have chaff rejection modeled)
Use for what benefit? Climb up to use it, watch it get effortlessly defeated by a single keypress, then possibly get slammed by a much better missile in response? You can’t use it to force a target to manuever, or make them pull out of a headon, or give up positioning in any way. They just hit their countermeasure key once and get to completely ignore the missile.
The only time I got any consistent kills with it was when I managed to sneak up one someone from side aspect at high altitude, but this relies on the enemy having no situation awareness and being deaf to RWR tone.
I had such little luck with it I generally switched to using the R530E instead. It’s also of questionable utility, but I could drop in on a furball from medium altitude and fire it off at a distracted target from long range, then continue to do something else. It rarely got me any kills, but at least I could use it without putting myself in a compromising position.
it has some of the worst SARH in the game is how you should phrase it. The missile is barely even “BVR” considering its tiny range
It’s just bad. R-3R is often more useful.
then what is it because ive only heard of j35 using aim4
no, 9J and magic 1 are pretty close in range, the 9J just turns worse.
I’ll just respond to both of you at once
All 530s, except the Super 530D, use the same Distance tracking and are also Monopulse as is every radar missile
The range is yes not great but it is 12.5km baseline lock ( not factoring in speed and clouds etc)
A flight range of 18km which can translate to about 5km sea level at worst
15Gs is not great no but comparatively at 10.7 it is the normal amount of Gs for a SARH missile
The benefit is fire it at 5km or less and force the enemy to go defensive unless its a side on attack in which the Magic may be better but theres no threat of being BVR’s back in good time
If its an F4E thats forced defensive then its an easy dogfight
The Draken uses an AIM 26B, derivative and upgraded AIM 4
R3R is only good as most things dont even have an RWR at 9.0-9.7
Ive gotten kills with both R3R and R530 at 11.0 (21BIS) and old 10.3(IIIE) respectively
but “BVR” at that br is less about the long range snipes but instead the all aspect ability of the missile which is why i fire mine at relatively close range giving the enemy little chance to evade
If the enemy fires before I do then i have plenty of time to evade, especially in a delta thats very nimble and quick to notch
But even if the enemy evades my missile theyre now defensive and bled a fair amount of speed giving the perfect opportunity for a nimble aircraft, such as a mirage, to jump onto the opportunity
10.7 may not be the greatest BR for the Mirage IIIE
and 10.3 may not be the greatest BR for the XS
The bigger issue that scuffs the rating are the All aspect IR slingers which is why we have this situation and why BVR can be more crucial as an all aspect missile compared to the XS that has nothing and often ends up in a bad situation due to the these A10s or Su25s with all its 12 countermeasures
Also the Mirage IIIE has an RWR which the XS does not have giving it much greater counter BVR play
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This is just catagorically incorrect. Almost every missile but the R530s use CW seekers, which are immune to chaff. This isn’t hidden information or anything, it’s available on the wiki. Go ahead and find me a Sparrow with a pulse seeker head. I’ll wait.
These pulse seekers are why French SARH missiles (especially the R530F) are considerably worse than their counterparts in other nations.
It’s biggest flaw is the delta V. It’s a very slow missile that quickly burns it speed in manuevers and cannot generate it very efficiently. This gives it a much shorter range against manuevering targets, and once it stops burning it’s incredibly easy to outroll it as it haemorrhages it’s very little speed very quickly and stops pulling any reasonable amount of Gs.
It absolutely won’t force the enemy to go defensive. Unless you consider slightly pulling and dropping a single blob of countermeasures “defensive”. And doubly so if the F-4E has already fired an AIM-7E at you, which requires you to notch and/or multipath it to avoid.
Yes, there will be players who see a SARH being fired at them and notch because they don’t know they don’t need to. But planning to capitalize on the stupidity of your enemies is not generally a good plan.
It’s very rare for an A-10/Su-25/A-6E to climb to a height where the RADAR can lock them, and even if they do the second they see something approaching them they’ll just start throwing flares and chaff out like crazy. They have RWRs, they’ll know what you’re planning if you’re paying attention. Those flares are part of why the difference between 2 Magic 1s and 6 AIM-9Js is so large. Both are easily oneflared, so ultimately it just costs less when a XS fires one to check if they’re paying attention.
Besides, unlike the flareless subsonics that they victimized, the XS (and other supersonics) have relatively little difficulty avoiding the range of those all aspect missiles. They almost always fly in a nice, predictable pack, and as long as you don’t overcommit to a fight near them, they’ll never be able to catch you. There’s a reason I almost never die to them in the IIIC, even without countermeasures.
Because these planes generally don’t see missiles that would require an RWR to counter, the difference in minimal. The only SARH missiles they see at the tier are other R530s, R-3Rs and AIM-9Cs (With the occasional AIM-7D from F-4C players with a deathwish). None of these can be fired outside a range where you won’t be able to see them come in with plenty of warning, and none are hard to defeat with the amount of warning you get.
Yes, both get uptiered into more competant RADAR missiles where RWRs are useful, but in those situations you shouldn’t really ever be climbing to a height where they can hit you in the first place. There’s no point trying to joust with the R530, and the XS doesn’t even have any RADAR missiles to use. There’s no reason not to just hug the deck.