You’re telling me that a Mig21 Bis with radar and HMD of 9km from the Su39, with 2x R73 and 2x R27, is comparable to the Su27, with 10 missiles, these being 4x R73, 2x R27ET1, 4x R27ER1, an infinitely superior FM, hmd of 20km + irst…
…and this attempt at a calf comparison is your justification for increasing the br of the Mig21 Bison, because you simply don’t know how to handle the plane ?
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Some posts ago he stalked my profile and tried to use my combat statistics to justify that the Mig21 Bison is too strong and is underbr, because I am have kd positive with the plane.
Mig-21 Bison is a mini Su-27 placed 0.7 BR lower but with a 11.3-12.3 matchmaker. I grind the event with F-14A at 12.7 and anything below 13.0 gets downtiered to 11.0-12.0 bracket matchmaker, I face Mirage F1C-200, Mig-23ML and Phantoms almost every match.
You have 1 kd on Mirage F-1C-200 that is 12.0, but have almost 2 kd on Mig-21 Bison that is only 0.3 BR higher at 12.3. Don’t you think it’s kinda weird that even your stats proves my point?
He may have gotten the Bison a lot later than the F1C, and became better at the game during that time.
I dont want to be that guy, but both of you have not the greatest stats
12.7 is a fine br for it f16a with worse missiles and no radar is there
No… in no way is it this…
f16a is 12.3, 21bison also isnt OP in current BR which means 12.3 is better than 12.7
There are a lot of variables for personal K/Ds. My Mirage F1C-200 and Mig-21Bison K/Ds are 1.9 and 1.7 respectively iirc.
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Did not claim I was good but even by my shit not air main type of guy he not even half my stats. I wasn’t the guy who threw a fist when Im not being able to make a counter argument, we talk reason here mam , not to throw cheap insult when unable to back what we claim up.
No it is not, how can a missile bus at 13.0 now being brought out to compare with a lower br just because it have somewhat alike set of armament ? That doesn’t make any sense, it is like saying F4 with same set of AAM is almost as good as F16 but just bigger
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it was exactly that, it was my first jet, the plane was very different from what it was today, the Magic 2 were very different, I didn’t have any experience playing games at the top tier, the f14A was 11.3 and then uped to 11.7 at that time, the game was much more compressed than it is today.
The only thing it proves is that I gained more experience in the game.
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You could have shown j7D’s KD, I have 270 more kills than deaths, and I bought the plane a month after the Mirage F1C, long before it was 10.7.
I’m already familiar with the mig 21 platform, I usually play with it, the mig 21 bison is just a platform that I already know that uses excellent missiles and I’m also familiar with it because they are present in the j11 in the Chinese tree
The mig 21 is a platform known to me with missiles that are already known to me, and the Brits are the sixth nation that I am grinding, obviously I will perform better, but you insist and use me as an anecdotal argument.
My combat statistics reflect my performance, not the global performance of an airplane.
His entire argument revolves around 2 logical fallacies
You first make a false equivalence between su27 and mig 21 bison
then you attack the person who comforts you by making an Poisoning the well
Is a type of informal fallacy where adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing something that the target person is about to say.
All this because he is unable to deal with the mig 21 bison in a match up…
In addition to being desperate, he is intellectually dishonest…
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false equivalence? I called it mini Su-27 because they play the same. Both have HMD+R-73 combo, R27R’s and T’s with meh flight performance. Su-27 just have more of them and better radar missiles, which is why it’s 13.0.
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Yea go on mate, enjoy your undertiered planes. I’m sure you feel good about fighting Mig-23ML’s with only 4 directional RWR that doesn’t get launch warnings from your missiles and it has worse missiles overall and horrible radar yet in the same matchmaker as this abysmal of a plane. Just go look at other ~12.0 planes and what they have, 2 IRCCM or radar missiles with barely working radars at best.
First, all these statements are completely wrong, First, Mig-21 bison at the moment in game can only bring 2 R-73 and 2 R-27T/R.
Second not only Bison pops 2 CM per pop(making it have 30 pops) and per type(making you use 4 CM’s per pop in a situation you need to use both, bringing the count down as low as 15 pops in total) the flare pattern is also a pain since it goes too high above the plane making it vulnerable to irccm missiles(like the 9M and R-73) and sometimes being killed even by non-irccm missiles because of it, not only that F-5T has more pops than it(45 pops) with a better pattern.
Mig-21 Bison is balanced where it is, it’s radar has a small window(40°/-40° of elevation and 40° of azimuth) you can just get out of it with a crank, you literal have more azimuth and elevation, and R-24R’s are great, all you need to do is launch on him, even if he chaff later just maintain the lock and the missile will do the work.
About the RWR the SPO-10(MiG-23M/MF/ML/MLA and a lot of MiG-21’s) you’re just nitpicking since it can’t see any launch not only bison, it’s a shit RWR the worse on the bracket even AN/APG-25(F-104S) and Mirage Detecteur(Mirage F1C/F1C-200) that are also shit have a basic launch detection/CW detection, not only that, Kopyo-21 is on I band that everyone detects since is a very used band
Because Flight Performance Matters a lot, F-16A Block 10 is one of the best Jets in FP department, comparable with 14.0 jets in turn performance, mig-21 Bison is a MiG-21Bis with upgraded weapons and electronics
If anything F-5’s are undertiered, plane is easy to play, have great guns, good flight performance and turn, the thing is most F-5C decide that one of the best dogfighters of it’s Br would work as a good bomber, so they strap a shit ton of bombs that weight as much as the plane, making it hella slow, the plane also lacks any kind of CCIP so they need to fly low to hit the target, flying low and slow, with barely enough energy to not fall from the sky is literally being a easy pray to anyone
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How the hell MiG-21 Bison[12.3] can see the original MiG-21bis[11.0] in full downtiers.
They have a 1.3BR difference, normally they can’t face each other.
Unless some dumb [11.3-12.3] player made some kind of stupid troll squad with MiG-21bis for suffer his friend in super-duper uptiers. :/
It seems you hate to fight against MiG-21bison.
Yes. It is in the perfect sweet spot of the current matchmaker.
But don’t lie to attack the Bison.
MiG-21bison don’t face MiG-21bis.
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Oh that’s my bad, I confused BR’s because they change so much. Still, my other points stand. There are plenty of completely outmatched planes at 11.3-12.3 range. This plane needs to be 12.7 until we have more decompression.
As I claimed earlier in this topic (maybe before you showed up)
- MiG-21 Bison is strong 12.3BR plane.
- But, we can’t send it directly to 12.7-13.0 because every 12.7-13.0 jets simply outclass the MiG-21 Bison. original MiG-29 with R-60M/27ER can be a perfect example.
Or the Mirage 2000CS-5 which has way much more CM and a better fuselage. - If you really want to send MiG-21 Bison higher than now, Bison also needs a weapon upgrade.
If we can have R-27ER/ET on Bison, we can consider it a sidegrade of MiG-29.
Better IR missile, but worse manoeuvrability. then fits more to 12.7.
For 13.0? obviously need to be armed with 4 R-73 or R-77 if we consider Kfir C.10.
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