Mig-21 Bison needs to increase the BR to 12.7 or 13

[両儀_式]

It is always funny seeing Navy_Phantom trying his hardest to prove that USSR jet broken (this one isn’t even in soviet tech tree) by cherry picking everything he could and ignore people when they throw at him actual argument. He talked like he has never touched a single mig21 and now a Mig AF at 12.3 with a set of good AAM and 10km HMD now being considered as good as su27. Oh how desperate some people could be trying to win an unwinable fight

[Dragon_Storm_246]

Sounds like mad skill issue. Blud hasnt found the full potential of the R-24R

[Navy_Phantom]

@両儀 式

seeing Navy_Phantom trying his hardest

Don’t pat yourself on the shoulder too much, I was barely trying, just commenting short answers on my tea breaks. I would actually make a comprehensive post about it, but who cares, you’re just some random stranger on the internet. I don’t care enough to try changing your opinion.

@両儀 式

to prove that USSR jet broken (this one isn’t even in soviet tech tree)

Idk which other USSR jet you’re referring to, but this one sure is

[_Renzo]

@Navy_Phantom

Still, my other points stand. There are plenty of completely outmatched planes at 11.3-12.3 range.

With the F-16A being 12.3 now? Yeah I don’t think the MiG-21 Bison is the biggest concern for 11.3-12.0 aircraft right now lol.

[Navy_Phantom]

@__Renzo__

With the F-16A being 12.3 now? Yeah I don’t think the MiG-21 Bison is the biggest concern for 11.3-12.0 aircraft right now lol.

Dying to it’s 9L’s are a skill issue, they don’t have IRCCM and can be easily flared even in rear aspect by turning off the afterburner and spamming few flares. F-16’s are so overrated, almost nobody dogfights at top tier until late game on equal teams. I’ve been playing that BR bracket for last month and died to F-16A exactly zero times.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

@Navy_Phantom

false equivalence? I called it mini Su-27 because they play the same.

They play nothing alike…

@Navy_Phantom

Both have HMD+R-73 combo

This is literally where the similarities end…

@Navy_Phantom

R27R’s and T’s

No… Su27 uses R27*ER* and R27*ET*

NOT

R27R and R27T…

@Navy_Phantom

with meh flight performance

Su27 does not have “meh” flight performance.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

@Navy_Phantom

Yea go on mate, enjoy your undertiered planes.

There’s a reason you aren’t responding to me, someone who does not play the 21bison and is still saying its fine. It’s because you can’t be intellectually dishonest (or deficient) and act like I’m only defending it because I own it.

@Navy_Phantom

Just go look at other ~12.0 planes and what they have, 2 IRCCM or radar missiles with barely working radars at best.

1. Most 12.3s+ have equivalent missiles (21bison’s strength comes from the HMD/RWR/Radar, not from the missiles directly.)

2. That would probably be because they are using GEN4 AIRFRAMES or at the VERY LEAST a later airframe than a literal mig-21… from the 1950s… it does not do anything well regarding flight at 12.3.

@Navy_Phantom

This plane needs to be 12.7 until we have more decompression.

Sure! If you also agree with the giant list of 150+ other planes that need to be uptiered for the same reason? oh wait you won’t because you likely play a lot of these planes? shame!

@Navy_Phantom

Dying to it’s 9L’s are a skill issue

So is dying to a mig-21. It’s almost like there are pros and cons. The F-16 doesn’t have to 9L you, he can just stomp you into paste because he’s an F-16. You can’t dogfight nor run from an F-16.

@Navy_Phantom

F-16’s are so overrated

but the 21bison is OVERPOWERED? get a grip

@Navy_Phantom

I’ve been playing that BR bracket for last month and died to F-16A exactly zero times.

I can say the same for the 21bison…

[SidewaysCube946]

Dying to its 73’s are a skill issue, their IRCCM is weak and can be easily flared even in rear aspect by turning off the afterburner and spamming few flares. MiG-21’s are so overrated, almost nobody dogfights at top tier until late game on equal teams. I’ve been playing that BR bracket for last month and died to MiG-21Bison exactly zero times.

And now you know how absurd you sound

[AllNationEnjoyer]

@SidewaysCube946

their IRCCM is weak

this isnt true

@SidewaysCube946

Dying to its 73’s are a skill issue

this is true, majority of the time

[SidewaysCube946]

I took what he said and substituted the MiG-21Bison for it. It’s not my actual beliefs, just trying to show him how he sounds to others.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

didnt realize

[両儀_式]

@Navy_Phantom

Don’t pat yourself on the shoulder too much, I was barely trying, just commenting short answers on my tea breaks. I would actually make a comprehensive post about it, but who cares, you’re just some random stranger on the internet. I don’t care enough to try changing your opinion.

Damn if this not even your peak then I don’t want to see your peak. I don’t want to see the stuff you cook if you try your best then

@Navy_Phantom

Idk which other USSR jet you’re referring to, but this one sure is

DAMN one SINGLE JET that isn’t even slightly related to the Mig21 family. And he show me one game where he got 10 kills in 7 games play

[両儀_式]

“F-16’s are so overrated” yet the F16 even after all the new edition still hold their ground. I wonder is this the product of skill issue or just pure incompetent on the part of the player skill. Remember , after the ARAAM update , non of the soviet top tier jet hold a candle to what the west have and the F16 still by far way better than their Mig29 counterpart

[_Renzo]

@Navy_Phantom

Dying to it’s 9L’s are a skill issue

It’s not like R-73s are particularly hard to flare lol, especially in front and side aspect.

@Navy_Phantom

I’ve been playing that BR bracket for last month and died to F-16A exactly zero times.

Of course, when you only really played the F-14A these last days you won’t die a lot to F-16As.

However dying to a Bison in an F-14A means you have made some quite interesting gameplay decisions.

[Navy_Phantom]

@両儀 式

“F-16’s are so overrated” yet the F16 even after all the new edition still hold their ground.

@両儀 式

after the ARAAM update , non of the soviet top tier jet hold a candle to what the west have

I was obviously talking about F-16A variants, not the ones with Fox 3’s 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Navy_Phantom]

@SidewaysCube946

Dying to its 73’s are a skill issue, their IRCCM is weak

lol, sure buddy. I have used both 9M’s and R-73’s and would take R-73+HMD combo in any day over others.

[Stockholm_Blend]

So, You believe F-16A/ADF are overrated than current [12.3-12.7]
But wants MiG-21 Bison to go higher?

Then you want
F-16A 12.3->12.0
F-16A ADF 12.7->12.3

MiG-21 Bison 12.3->12.7 or 13.0?

Really?
No offence.
No ragebaiting but sincenery idea?

[両儀_式]

He can’t get kill with IR AAM unless it is a R-73 and HMD combo. AIM-9M and it variants are now worthless minecraft arrow and F16A are piss bad

[Navy_Phantom]

@Stockholm_Blend

So, You believe F-16A/ADF are overrated than current [12.3-12.7]
But wants MiG-21 Bison to go higher?

Then you want
F-16A 12.3->12.0
F-16A ADF 12.7->12.3

I said overrated, not over tiered. F-16A is fine at 12.3. What I mean that it’s a situational jet, 9L’s are near useless for any aware targets sine they lack IRCCM which is common in this BR range and flight performance only really shines on dogfights which rarely happens.

@Stockholm_Blend

MiG-21 Bison 12.3->12.7

This, yes! It needs to be 12.7. It’s not good for 13.0 but too good for 12.3.

[両儀_式]

Did I say that you said those thing or are you schizoing and trying to win an unwinable fight ?