Did not claim I was good but even by my shit not air main type of guy he not even half my stats. I wasn’t the guy who threw a fist when Im not being able to make a counter argument, we talk reason here mam , not to throw cheap insult when unable to back what we claim up.
No it is not, how can a missile bus at 13.0 now being brought out to compare with a lower br just because it have somewhat alike set of armament ? That doesn’t make any sense, it is like saying F4 with same set of AAM is almost as good as F16 but just bigger
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it was exactly that, it was my first jet, the plane was very different from what it was today, the Magic 2 were very different, I didn’t have any experience playing games at the top tier, the f14A was 11.3 and then uped to 11.7 at that time, the game was much more compressed than it is today.
The only thing it proves is that I gained more experience in the game.
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You could have shown j7D’s KD, I have 270 more kills than deaths, and I bought the plane a month after the Mirage F1C, long before it was 10.7.
I’m already familiar with the mig 21 platform, I usually play with it, the mig 21 bison is just a platform that I already know that uses excellent missiles and I’m also familiar with it because they are present in the j11 in the Chinese tree
The mig 21 is a platform known to me with missiles that are already known to me, and the Brits are the sixth nation that I am grinding, obviously I will perform better, but you insist and use me as an anecdotal argument.
My combat statistics reflect my performance, not the global performance of an airplane.
His entire argument revolves around 2 logical fallacies
You first make a false equivalence between su27 and mig 21 bison
then you attack the person who comforts you by making an Poisoning the well
Is a type of informal fallacy where adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing something that the target person is about to say.
All this because he is unable to deal with the mig 21 bison in a match up…
In addition to being desperate, he is intellectually dishonest…
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false equivalence? I called it mini Su-27 because they play the same. Both have HMD+R-73 combo, R27R’s and T’s with meh flight performance. Su-27 just have more of them and better radar missiles, which is why it’s 13.0.
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Yea go on mate, enjoy your undertiered planes. I’m sure you feel good about fighting Mig-23ML’s with only 4 directional RWR that doesn’t get launch warnings from your missiles and it has worse missiles overall and horrible radar yet in the same matchmaker as this abysmal of a plane. Just go look at other ~12.0 planes and what they have, 2 IRCCM or radar missiles with barely working radars at best.
First, all these statements are completely wrong, First, Mig-21 bison at the moment in game can only bring 2 R-73 and 2 R-27T/R.
Second not only Bison pops 2 CM per pop(making it have 30 pops) and per type(making you use 4 CM’s per pop in a situation you need to use both, bringing the count down as low as 15 pops in total) the flare pattern is also a pain since it goes too high above the plane making it vulnerable to irccm missiles(like the 9M and R-73) and sometimes being killed even by non-irccm missiles because of it, not only that F-5T has more pops than it(45 pops) with a better pattern.
Mig-21 Bison is balanced where it is, it’s radar has a small window(40°/-40° of elevation and 40° of azimuth) you can just get out of it with a crank, you literal have more azimuth and elevation, and R-24R’s are great, all you need to do is launch on him, even if he chaff later just maintain the lock and the missile will do the work.
About the RWR the SPO-10(MiG-23M/MF/ML/MLA and a lot of MiG-21’s) you’re just nitpicking since it can’t see any launch not only bison, it’s a shit RWR the worse on the bracket even AN/APG-25(F-104S) and Mirage Detecteur(Mirage F1C/F1C-200) that are also shit have a basic launch detection/CW detection, not only that, Kopyo-21 is on I band that everyone detects since is a very used band
Because Flight Performance Matters a lot, F-16A Block 10 is one of the best Jets in FP department, comparable with 14.0 jets in turn performance, mig-21 Bison is a MiG-21Bis with upgraded weapons and electronics
If anything F-5’s are undertiered, plane is easy to play, have great guns, good flight performance and turn, the thing is most F-5C decide that one of the best dogfighters of it’s Br would work as a good bomber, so they strap a shit ton of bombs that weight as much as the plane, making it hella slow, the plane also lacks any kind of CCIP so they need to fly low to hit the target, flying low and slow, with barely enough energy to not fall from the sky is literally being a easy pray to anyone
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How the hell MiG-21 Bison[12.3] can see the original MiG-21bis[11.0] in full downtiers.
They have a 1.3BR difference, normally they can’t face each other.
Unless some dumb [11.3-12.3] player made some kind of stupid troll squad with MiG-21bis for suffer his friend in super-duper uptiers. :/
It seems you hate to fight against MiG-21bison.
Yes. It is in the perfect sweet spot of the current matchmaker.
But don’t lie to attack the Bison.
MiG-21bison don’t face MiG-21bis.
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Oh that’s my bad, I confused BR’s because they change so much. Still, my other points stand. There are plenty of completely outmatched planes at 11.3-12.3 range. This plane needs to be 12.7 until we have more decompression.
As I claimed earlier in this topic (maybe before you showed up)
- MiG-21 Bison is strong 12.3BR plane.
- But, we can’t send it directly to 12.7-13.0 because every 12.7-13.0 jets simply outclass the MiG-21 Bison. original MiG-29 with R-60M/27ER can be a perfect example.
Or the Mirage 2000CS-5 which has way much more CM and a better fuselage. - If you really want to send MiG-21 Bison higher than now, Bison also needs a weapon upgrade.
If we can have R-27ER/ET on Bison, we can consider it a sidegrade of MiG-29.
Better IR missile, but worse manoeuvrability. then fits more to 12.7.
For 13.0? obviously need to be armed with 4 R-73 or R-77 if we consider Kfir C.10.
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It is always funny seeing Navy_Phantom trying his hardest to prove that USSR jet broken (this one isn’t even in soviet tech tree) by cherry picking everything he could and ignore people when they throw at him actual argument. He talked like he has never touched a single mig21 and now a Mig AF at 12.3 with a set of good AAM and 10km HMD now being considered as good as su27. Oh how desperate some people could be trying to win an unwinable fight
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Sounds like mad skill issue. Blud hasnt found the full potential of the R-24R
Don’t pat yourself on the shoulder too much, I was barely trying, just commenting short answers on my tea breaks. I would actually make a comprehensive post about it, but who cares, you’re just some random stranger on the internet. I don’t care enough to try changing your opinion.
Idk which other USSR jet you’re referring to, but this one sure is
With the F-16A being 12.3 now? Yeah I don’t think the MiG-21 Bison is the biggest concern for 11.3-12.0 aircraft right now lol.
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Dying to it’s 9L’s are a skill issue, they don’t have IRCCM and can be easily flared even in rear aspect by turning off the afterburner and spamming few flares. F-16’s are so overrated, almost nobody dogfights at top tier until late game on equal teams. I’ve been playing that BR bracket for last month and died to F-16A exactly zero times.
They play nothing alike…
This is literally where the similarities end…
No… Su27 uses R27*ER* and R27*ET*
NOT
R27R and R27T…
Su27 does not have “meh” flight performance.
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There’s a reason you aren’t responding to me, someone who does not play the 21bison and is still saying its fine. It’s because you can’t be intellectually dishonest (or deficient) and act like I’m only defending it because I own it.
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Most 12.3s+ have equivalent missiles (21bison’s strength comes from the HMD/RWR/Radar, not from the missiles directly.)
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That would probably be because they are using GEN4 AIRFRAMES or at the VERY LEAST a later airframe than a literal mig-21… from the 1950s… it does not do anything well regarding flight at 12.3.
Sure! If you also agree with the giant list of 150+ other planes that need to be uptiered for the same reason? oh wait you won’t because you likely play a lot of these planes? shame!
So is dying to a mig-21. It’s almost like there are pros and cons. The F-16 doesn’t have to 9L you, he can just stomp you into paste because he’s an F-16. You can’t dogfight nor run from an F-16.
but the 21bison is OVERPOWERED? get a grip
I can say the same for the 21bison…
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Dying to its 73’s are a skill issue, their IRCCM is weak and can be easily flared even in rear aspect by turning off the afterburner and spamming few flares. MiG-21’s are so overrated, almost nobody dogfights at top tier until late game on equal teams. I’ve been playing that BR bracket for last month and died to MiG-21Bison exactly zero times.
And now you know how absurd you sound
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this isnt true
this is true, majority of the time
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