It is a shame that Gaijin only knows using efficiency to measure that.
They should add the R2Y2 v1 back to the tt
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it’s even less real than panther 2/tiger2 105, (colian shouldn’t have been removed it meets criteria to be added imo)
They’ve no real basis is reality as they’re almost completely made up, r1y1 was a very cool looking prototype but it wasn’t armed and did terrible at actually flying
If we’re gonna get fake vehicles they should at least be somewhat reasonable I honestly don’t think they should’ve been added
i mean the r2y2 v1 (pretty much a r2y1 with engines slung under the wing) is very much realistic, after all its a small conversion of the airframe, with engines under the wing and likely added structure to the wing struts to handle the added weight.
the other possible option, would be more post war american planes added… something you guys also hate. thats just the reality of late war/post war japan and germany, their militaries stop producing stuff so the ONLY thing you got left is horrendous mid cold war prototypes (which you guys will complain about as well), blueprint vehicles, or unfinished prototypes. so take your pick of poison because one of these is gonna happen sooner or later.
what are you talking about “you guys” lol, don’t be such a victim no none is against you, and they never had plans for the r2y2s they’re a post war invention which is the main issue.
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That is completely false in the case of the V1, the R2Y1 project was going to be completely canceled on July 1944 as the requirement for the highspeed long range recon plane was dropped after the loses in the battle of the Philippines sea, at that point there was only about 20% of the prototype built (even the design work wasn’t fully completed).
However at the same time the Japanese Navy was looking to start production of turbojet powered aircraft as basic turbo jets where simpler to build and could run on lower grade fuel, which was a significant issue for Japan.
Keiun not wanting to scrap the work they had already put into the R2Y1 development proposed repurposing it into the “R2Y2 Experimental Keiun Kai” powered by 2 TR30 engines:
They also suggested restarting the R2Y1 proto type construction to use as the test bed for the design.
Later in 1944 Japan began production on the axial-flow turbojet Ne-330 base on the German BMW-003A and changed the design to use them.
The prototype was completed in April 1945, 9 months AFTER the recon plane project was canceled, and 2 more prototypes where being built:
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So the R2Y2 was planned as the end result of the R2Y and in development from mid 1944 and had one fully completed and 2 partially completed airframes and at least the TR30 engines fully built and the NE-330s partially built. The 1st airframe was destroyed by a USA bombing raid soon after its 1st prop powered flight and Japan lacked the resources to complete the other 2 airframes:
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The V1 fully deserves to remain in the game as an “unfinished prototype” as 80% of the R2Y1 was completed with the sole intention of using it as a testbed for the R2Y2 and 2 partial air frames where built AFTER changing the project from R2Y1 to the R2Y2 project specifically for the jet attacker development and given that the Kikka used Ne-20 engines you could argue both the TR-30 and Ne-330 where unique to the R2Y2 as well.
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Both the airframe and engine existed and worked.
Edit: I should have read the comment above me.
Ohh how I Long to see a J7W2 or the P1Y Tenga( Or P1Y7) as event vehicles. NGL, an event called Secret Weapons dedicated to Japan & Germany would be awesome to see along with more other experimental WW2 A2G ammunitions like the Ki-148 I-Go 1B that’s currently in game. Which honestly was very satisfying to fly and use.
Besides that, Really agree with the OP, 7.7 for Air, 7.3 for Ground or both at 7.3. Super Props don’t have issues fighting early jets. The R2Y2 really shouldn’t be 8.0. Like why should I face a 9.0 F3H-2 with radar/IR missiles…Sure IR are easy to dodge but there are times we just don’t see it coming and kaboom. Plus its so much slower compared to other jets, cant keep up unless they commit to a dogfight or head-on. That’s about it.
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The worst thing is, there are a lot of 7.3-7.7 planes better than it, the only reason it was OP before and Gaijin wants to it pays back forever
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well it means one of three things:
- r2y2 is garbage and should be moved to 7.3 (which isnt the thing as its better than shwalbe and f80 early)
- mb326 is op and should be moved up to 8.0
- both
After having spaded all three R2Y2s, I would say they need to be massively lowered in BR.
V1 to 6.7 - its a fatter Meteor
V2 to 7.0 - very marginally better.
V3 to 7.3 - very marginally better still.
Also for some odd reason despite identical engine names, the V1 has more thrust per engine than the V2/3. The latter two should probably see their thrust slightly increased to match the V1.
As for the MB-326K - how much of that thing’s power is due to the plane, and how much is due to its airspawn on maps where everyone else runway starts? I’d first suggest making all ground attackers runway start or airspawn 10km behind the fighter runway. Bombers I would suggest spawning all of those 20-30km behind the fighter runway. Any “tactical bomber” which is functionally an Attacker (think Helldivers, Pe-2s, or Arado 234s) would be changed to the Attackers they were used as, and spawn as such.
Every R2Y2 its almost the same plane, the difference between the three R2Y2s is comparable to the difference between the Yak-3(e), Yak-3 and Yak-3P; not fucking Yak-3 to Yak-3U, you cant place a R2Y2 next to a Spitfire
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And yet all those R2Y2s are frankly worse Me-262As in most respects, the V1 especially. I also would place every single Me-262A model at 6.7 for the same reason in all game modes, and drop the C models down to 7.0 and 7.3, respectively.
“frankly worse”? How is that if they are alltogether better?
When I unlocked them they were 390,000 RP each.
R2Y2 at least better than ME262A, so it could be 7.3 at least; however, in GRB, it could be 7.0, considering its acceleration and loadouts are not good
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They are fatter 262s that turn better but accelerate worse except maybe the V3. Now if the V2 & V3 had the same engine power the V1 has, yes the latter two would be unquestionably a bit better.
But the V1 is give or take basically identical to all 262A models - after spading out the old event 6.7 Sturmvogel I observed how 262As fit fine at 6.7, and how none should be above that.
Which R2Y2 are you talking about? I was mainly comparing the V1 to the 262A models. To reiterate - I believe all Me-262A models, regardless of armament, should sit at 6.7 in all game modes, as should the R2Y2 V1. The V2 & V3 can be 7.0 & 7.3 respectively, especially if these latter two get the slightly increased engine power the V1 has for some odd reason despite the engines of all 3 sharing the same name.
Well i cant agrue that the most early Ryukai is maybe in comparison with the Me262, but its just blatantly better in turn, max speed and cannons. Main problem of 262 is garbage cannons, so the Ryukai is pretty much alike that one Me262 with 6 cannons. And the said Ryukai eats them F80s and F84s easilly. So it has no place as low as 6.7, and not even 7.0. 7.3 is basic MINIMUM br they can be.
I only spaded the V1, but i also flew the V3. I did feel the V3 being better flight model tho. They are very capable planes for their era, problem with them is that their era is 7.0-7.7 and they are 8.0
We must be playing very different games then - in my experience any F-80 or F-84 not in an extended turnfight almost carelessly outruns and even out-accelerates an R2Y2 of any particular flavor. Hence why I suggested the range for them that I did. The worst of the three no longer sees any kind of Korean jets. The other two still would but that’s just compression being compression.
We agree on the V2 and V3 being capable enough vs other 7.0-7.3 jet fighters. I do plainly see though that a Banshee has its way with any R2Y2, be it in speed, acceleration, or maneuverability, and especially roll rate. But the V1, no, that thing is a fat 262A with better guns.
262s are slower, dogfight worse, climb worse, and have worse guns.
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