It’s hard to write about something that didn’t exist. The PGM isn’t mentioned, just like Skyflash or AIM-120, because it was never on the serial GR.1. Let’s go backwards, where is it written that the PGM was on the GR.4?
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I’m saying if they are giving it to the GR4, which never used it, then they should give it to all Tornado IDS.
I assume he’s trying to use this poor example to justify adding prototype/never fully produced or in service weapons to the German Tornado like the HOSBO glide thing and the Anti Tank Sidewinder
As Key.Aero recalls, modernization of the Mirage 2000D focused on the avionics system of the aircraft to enable it to use a number of new weapons. For air-to-air missions, the only improvement is the ability to use MICA NG infrared-guided air-to-air missiles as a replacement for the ageing Magic IIs, because the Antipole-5 terrain-following radar of the aircraft has not been replaced by a new type. However, for air-to-ground missions, the aircraft will have its combat capability widely enhanced. The Mirage 2000D RMV is able to carry and use GBU-48, GBU-49, GBU-50 and Sagem’s AASM, equipped with all-weather GPS navigation combined with precision terminal laser guidance. The RMVs will also be capable of using Thales/TDA Air-Sol Petite Taille Tactique (ASPTT) small-diameter tactical air-to-ground bombs. The upgraded Mirage 2000Ds are also capable of using the CC422 30mm Cannon pod, a shortened version of CC420 fitted to the Mirage F1B.
To use new weapons and also to have enhanced mission capabilities, the Mirage 2000D RMVs are modified to operate the Targeting Long-range Identification Optronic System (TALIOS) targeting pod instead of the ageing ATLIS II, PDL CTS and Damocles currently in use by them. TALIOS is a multipurpose two-in-one pod developed by Thales to meet the AAE requirements for its Rafale F3-R standard fighter jets. The TALIOS pod doesn’t just provide targeting capability, but rather is an asset for tactical reconnaissance as it delivers high-resolution and color imagery. The permanent vision and embedded artificial intelligence of the pod not only enable pilots and weapon system operators to perform their air-to-ground missions more effectively than before but also provides reliable situational awareness for the ground forces in real time.
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You have been answered multiple times.
I will state this for a final time here. GR.4 is an upgraded GR.1. Unless it was one of the features removed, GR.4 retained GR.1s capabilities.
Tornado IDS is not going to receive PGM by whataboutsim. If you have sources to suggest something for it, please feel free to make a proper report.
This discussion is going purely in circles and it won’t continue further as such.
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The production GR.1 does not have this capability. You simply added weapons that were tested on another aircraft.
Why do you keep on hating unnecessarily on people that play germany? Nobody asked for the PGMs to be removed from the Gr.1, we are just pointing out Gaijin double standards
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Because it was proven to be possible on Tornado GR.1 and thus GR.4 too.
There is no evidence to connect it to IDS variants currently.
Weaponary has never been required to be in service or operationally used. Everything is taken into the Devs considerations. It does not however mean everything will be implemented.
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MBDA don’t state that it was limited to GR1
Neither does Jane’s
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The conversation to me felt like it was very much going in that direction. SMIN has cleared it up now
I’m afraid MICA NG won’t come with 2000D RMV since it’s way too advanced for current game (What it’s comparable is something like AIM-9X, IRIS-T, Python-5 and PL-10)
stop it ok? ids never use it,believe it all not.
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Can you prove they were mounted to anything other than Tornado?
Visual evidence confirms it was a Tornado GR.1.
Janes is not an accepted source also. Currently there is nothing to suggest it was on an IDS. However we welcome any clear information.
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There is no logical justification for this. The GR.4 is based on the production GR.1 aircraft, not on the experimental one. The production GR.1 aircraft could not carry PGMs, and they were not even accepted into service by the RAF.
Ok guys, with all questions answered multiple times now and multiple warnings given any further continuity of this here will lead in formal warnings.
It’s been answered several times over. This is no longer relevant here. I understand some of you may not agree with the outcome, but it’s not an excuse for spamming the same thing over and over.
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If you want unique German weapons, bug report for them. Like the LaGS Sidewinders.
The truth I want to tell you is that the Luftwaffe has made poor equipment improvements in reality, because they have no money, not only in the current tornado , but also in their typhoon in the future. Don’t have any complaints. This is the Luftwaffe.
Took long enough, you are too forgiving
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