Well, Tranche 2 will come for 12.7/13.0 ground battles BR.
F-4F getting buffed with 9Js when it’s in the manual is still a complaint?
AGM-65Bs are already drastically lower range than GBUs.
~6km vs at least 16km of the GBUs.
PGMs also have the TV guidance issue; and I still haven’t figured out if targeting pods help.
It’s a matter of simply sticking it on the other mount. Just becasue they didn’t do it doesn’t mean they couldn’t.
Yes, the mount that the luftwaffe did not have!
So just like the Swedish had AGM-65G?
But here we are, same plane and could use it, do here you go
Hiw about an F-5C which has no flares, but normal F-5 so gets also CMs because why not, while we arent even allowed for Aim-9L on our Late Phantom
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AGM-65G uses the same mounting system.
F-5A/C has flares for all nations that have it, and it was specified in a manual [AIM-9Js for F-4F is the same exact situation as flares on F-5A].
Sure, but still, it was said the Late phantom wont get em because that would require to move it up in BR too, well its now 11.0… I cant see em
It didn’t move up in BR though, it got slightly downtiered.
12.0 is 12.7 now.
Which means 11.0 is the old 10.3.
So 9Ls would make it a minimum of 12.0 now.
???
The same 9Ls that can be found on the Tornado’s which at worst are 11.7 (ASSTA 1/GR.1) or 11.3 (Marineflieger/WTD 61)? Most 12.0s with 9Ls also have radar missiles, fx; JA37D. They also tend to have superior flight performance, more CMs, or both. Last but not least, the MiG-21Bis’s are all 11.3, just a single step above the F-4F Late and they all get to have 6xR-60M/MK, then there’s the MiG-23ML & MLD at 11.7.
Better yet, just 0.3 above (12.0) we can find jets with Magic 2s which easily blow the 9Ls out of the water. Or perhaps you’re suggesting F-4F Late w/9Ls should be tiered the same as the Mirage 2K or F-16A?
I fail to see how the Late getting 9Ls would “make” it a 12.0 jet without radar missiles, or at the very least, without an artifically increased CM count. You’re spouting nonsense.
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Tornado can’t dogfight and only carries 2 9Ls.
Kfir C7 however has a similar dogfight capability with 4x 9L equivalent missiles, and slightly less countermeasures at 12.0.
JH-7 has equivalent missiles at 12.3.
JA-37D dogfights the worst of the aircraft mentioned between us, and is 12.0, not 11.3.
Kurnass 2000 is effectively an F-4F with 2 more 9L equivalent missiles. Better than the Viggen D and Kfir C7 that’s for sure.
Mig-21Bis dogfights worse and has significantly worse missiles to the 9L.
F-16A is 13.0, and Mirage 2000 is well known to be under-BR’d.
Claiming basic facts are “nonsense” isn’t a good look.
Using 6 minutes of AB fuel [Viggen limitation]. Sustained turn rate is an indication of dogfight and furball management capability.
JA-37: 11.1
Kfir C2 [I don’t have Python 3s for Kfir C7, so I used 2x 500s on the C2 which uses an effectively identical engine.]: 13.1
JH-7A: 15.6
F-4F: 14.0.
Mig-21Bis Lazur: 13.2.
Now, whether or not F-1CT with its 2 good missiles is under-BR’d is up for discussion.
I say they are under-BR’d in SB
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Yes, an F-4 with 19 minutes of fuel vs a JA37 with 48 minutes of fuel.
That aside, I didn’t know sustained turn rate is the only metric that’s important and other things, such as, acceleration & instant turn-rate are just not relevant in a dogfight, huh.
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19 minutes of dry-thrust because the engines produce so much dry thrust and are a thrust-specific fuel consumption of 0.95.
Vs the TSFC of 0.6X of the Viggen’s dry thrust.
Instant turn rate of Viggen is the same as F-4F’s. Due to F-4F’s superior energy retention it won’t lose all its speed during that turn tho.
AB time of a full-fuel F-4E/F is 9 minutes.
It’s 6 minutes 30 for the Viggen.
Viggen still loses when F-4F is on full fuel, and it loses even more cause it doesn’t have the dogfight endurance F-4F does
Quick question: is it stated anywhere why the F-4F (Late) doesn’t get napalm, when both the Early and the ICE do?
Continuing the discussion from Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3):
hi there, was just wanting to check up on this.
Since we know the german F-4F phantom gets only 2 AGM-65s for the same price as everyother phantom gets 6, can we hope or base any hope on the devs to at least implement this as a balance measure?
it is unfair afterall that we only get a 1/3rd of the ground strike capability for the exact same price.
Its wasted time, was allready Requested alot, allways with an “No” because trees
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Yes weve been disappointed a lot but im sure smin and devs wont stand for such an unfair imbalance.
Im sure of it
What about all the Harriers bru.
isnt that supposed to be in a harrier related thread?
Absolutely I’m just mad at Gaijin forgive me lol.
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its been 11.0 now for w while and what does it get new? Correct! Nothing! The mig21bis is superior to it at this point
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