Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Don’t get me wrong, I really do too, but what are getting still looks fun enough.

Ra’am is going to be the absolute pinnacle of this air tree for years to come, and I look forward (maybe with a bit of copium) to the snail adding more domestic stuff to it retrospectively as the meta moves forth.

I was worried we would have to wait until december patch to get it with it not being in any of the leaks, so just getting it in the game at all at this point is a W in my eyes.

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i clearly said vehicle wise now didnt i

I doubt it when it has a max range of 70km+

13.0 is a bit low yes, but is it not extremely similar or nearly identical in comparison to the JA-37Di coming in at 13.0? I would personally place them both at 13.3 if we could have some more decompression to 14.0, given the two major downsides of no HMD/HMS (no slaving IR missiles and no HMD radar locks) and no IRCCM IR guided missiles (cough one flare IT missiles at top tier where everyone has loads of CMs and BOL) would be considered worthy of two steps down from top tier. In its current state, it’s a 12.3 plane based on its capabilities, given it’s a budget F-16ADF at the same BR when it should be lower. Based on the examples we have ingame, adding ARH to an aircraft usually results in a 2 step (.7) BR increase, which would result in 13.3 in its current state, or 13.0 if it were at 12.3 where it belonged.

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a 13.3 with that rwr would… be rather painful

In my opinion, maybe Kfir 2000 because prototype is essentially the early variant of the Kfir C.10

But I had a hunch that would be 13.7

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@Necronomica hey, can i expect a response from you to my Pm?

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I mean its only 2 missiles at the end and Gaijin could chose from TV or IIR seekers

the AGM-142 have 70km+ of range using man in the loop feature, with just the IR guidance that can be used in terminal phase is going to have a similar launch range as the KH-38MT soo… nothing crazy.

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and also you are going to sacrifice 2 missile in each wing soo… you are going to just carry amraams under the fuselage thats a huge gap for self-defense.

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ahh that’s right, the J37Di doesn’t get a digital RWR does it, I’ll have to check when I get the chance.

Same old C.7 airframe, only has 4 air to air missiles, and retains the low CM count. 13.3 at minimum.

Viggen and F-4F have similar flight performance but F-4F gets better radar, incomparably better RWR and 2 more Sidewinders which are Li model over regular L on the Viggen. F-4F is simply better suited for uptiers so 13.0 doesnt make sense for it and should stay 13.3

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same ol insufferable viggen rwr the others get xD

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i dont know who told you that, no they dont

Do they really? I was under the impression the Viggen had much better flight performance than a old phantom…

because it does

It got nerfed at some point so they are more or less similar but still require different playstyles.

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Thing with the viggen is that it is easily able to point it’s nose in a dogfight compared to a phantom, on paper it’s the same but in practice a good viggen pilot would not lose that fight

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