i dont know who told you that, no they dont
Do they really? I was under the impression the Viggen had much better flight performance than a old phantom…
because it does
It got nerfed at some point so they are more or less similar but still require different playstyles.
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Thing with the viggen is that it is easily able to point it’s nose in a dogfight compared to a phantom, on paper it’s the same but in practice a good viggen pilot would not lose that fight
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I mean depends what you’re looking for. I like Viggen FM more because its more snappy and performs better than F-4 at high and very low speeds. F-4F on the other hand peaks at medium speeds because it wont lose energy as fast as Viggen while also having agile eagles and combat flaps available. F-4 is also more predictable and easy to fly unlike Viggen.
If I were to choose one for a duel I’d take the JA37D since I can actually benefit from these first 1-3 turns and finish the fight. In ARB "team"fight F-4F is better because it carries better and more weaponry with more capable radar and thats what I’d take in this scenario. Viggen can still work in ARB with boom and zoom tactics but 13.3 ARB is too cramped to make it effective.
why F4J? its f4F not F4j
F-4F is straight up better than F-4J. I dont think I need to say more
yea but why putting F4J in that chart when we talk about f4f???
That not surprised but equipped Rafael Litening targeting pod and armed guided bombs
Including Python 4
I guess Kfir 2000 at 13.7 because Python 4 great maneuvrability and flare resistant slightly better AAM-3 and AIM-9M
I didnt make this, iirc it was because they matched each other in br but more specifically because it didnt have agile eagle.
Regardless unless a viggen gets to essentially no speed they struggle to turn with phantoms. Of which getting slow in air rb is a death sentence in sim its different but for the 16v16 air rb games its basically almost impossible to do a proper 1v1
F-15I Ra’am mounted SPICE 2000 only ?
AGM-142. but sadly unknown variants
And spice 250. Could carry like 28 of those beasts which were TV/IR guided.
Yup JA37Di would be my pick for sim especially when they add target tracker on the HUD. Viggen is a better vehicle for separated engagements, something that doesnt happen in ARB.
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Right but most players play air RB, in which the viggens dont perform as well in the TDM enviroment. Its one if the reasons i dont play them anymore
I still enjoy them from time to time. Playstyle has changed since now I’m just going full fuel full afterburner and just zooming thru the battlezone yeeting missiles at people. Its still fun and actually more accurate to how they were meant to operate irl.
Regardless its not a fun casual vehicle like my phantoms are imo. Tbf i dont really enjoy the viggens like i do the drakens but to each their own
Good report, thx, Mirage F1 didn’t have it either when first introduced and then they added it a few months later.
As I said earlier with F-4 you just jump in and fly it, with Viggen you gotta learn some things and plan your moves