Leopard 2E - The Spanish cat

[КМС_по_Швеции]

I propose adding the Spanish Leopard 2E MBT (also known as Leopard 2 Impreso) to the game.

It is a licensed modification of the German Leopard 2A6, produced in Spain by Santa Bárbara Sistemas between 2003 and 2008. The tank was developed under the Coraza-2000 program to replace the aging M60A3s.

The main difference from the base 2A6 is the armor. An additional composite armor module was added to the upper glacis plate (UFP), similar to the one found on the Swedish Strv 122. Additionally, the roof armor over the crew hatches was reinforced, and an anti-mine plate was added to the belly.

As for the rest of the specs: the gun remains the same long-barrel 120mm Rheinmetall L/55 as on the 2A6 (firing DM53 and DM63 APFSDS). They fitted an in-house FCS by Indra, featuring high-resolution thermals for both the gunner and the commander’s panoramic sight. Due to the extra armor, the weight increased to 62.5 tons, so with the same 1500 hp MTU engine, the acceleration will be slightly worse than that of the German 2A6 More information here

[Pipimer]

No? Italy already has 2 subtrees that can offer top tier stuff, Hungary can offer another Leopard 2A7 and Romania Abrams, Italy doesn’t need another subtree and Spain is better of on their own TT with collaboration like with Portugal or other Hispanic Countries

[КМС_по_Швеции]

Spain can be added as an operator in France, or it can be used as a squad or marathon tank for Germany

[Pipimer]

Germany has their own Leopards they don’t need Spain, and France has Benelux

[Thomas_Belgium]

@Pipimer

France has Benelux

Exactly, I personally think LATAM or similar tech trees are the answer here:

Latin American Ground Forces Tree

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Hispanic Ground Forces Tech Tree

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[Pipimer]

Greco-Iberian Ground Forces Tech Tree

[Greco-Iberian Ground Forces] poll Welcome to this suggestion for a Greco-Iberian Ground Forces Tech Tree! This tree consists of four nations: Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Cyprus (and includes both the Nationalist and Republican factions of the Spanish Civil War). Spain takes the centre-stage (62/120 vehicles, 52% of the tree), with Portuguese vehicles spread around the tree, and Greece and Cyprus as a sub-branch for their MBTs (with their other vehicles also spread around the tree).

States…

Only and Only if Greece and Cyprus weren’t going to Isreal

[КМС_по_Швеции]

@Pipimer

own Leopards they don’t need Spain, and France has Benelux

The Netherlands has only one top-of-the-line Leopard 2A6, so another Leopard wouldn’t hurt

[Thomas_Belgium]

@КМС_по_Швеции

Netherlands has only one top-of-the-line Leopard 2A6

The Netherlands is missing at least two 2A6M variants, although they aren’t needed that much in that tech tree.

EMBT and other French MBT’s are the answer here.

[Pipimer]

France has 4 Leclerc and 1 Leopard in 12.7 they don’t need another 12.7

[КМС_по_Швеции]

Dude, are you trying to tell me something about a clone, when 90% of this game is made up of clones?
And also the Leclercs, which are completely different in terms of gameplay

[_Renzo]

@Pipimer

France has 4 Leclerc and 1 Leopard in 12.7 they don’t need another 12.7

None of these are 12.7 worthy though. In their current form the 2A6 is a 12.3 and the Leclercs are barely 12.0 worthy as is.

[Lovecraft2]

I think it’s fine if Spain went to the Italian TT. I don’t want to see their ww2 vehicles in France, when Sweden is already put up with the allies for some reason in sim with Finland. Italy is already a sort of minor axis / Mediterranean tree.
Germany already has enough domestic stuff which Gaijin refuses to add for some reason. There are a bunch of Leopard 2 variants with armor packages.

@Pipimer

Spain is better of on their own TT

They don’t have enough domestic items, not even that many imports for that matter. Same with Portugal.

[Leo2A6EX-live]

@Thomas_Belgium

EMBT

Hopefully the peaks come soon

[dotSHINI]

Whats the point of your post, the literal suggestion talks about it better then you do.
You just posted some slop information for the sake of it.

@КМС_по_Швеции

Spain can be added as an operator in France, or it can be used as a squad or marathon tank for Germany

France already has dutch leopards and will get 2a8s in the future, there is no need for the spanish leos.
Generaly there is no need for a spanish subtree in either france or italy

@Pipimer

Germany has their own Leopards they don’t need Spai

export variants still can go to germany as an option.
As its the case with many other vehicles

@КМС_по_Швеции

The Netherlands has only one top-of-the-line Leopard 2A6, so another Leopard wouldn’t hurt

once again 2a8 in the future.
And the french are already hating on the leos already in the tree.

@Lovecraft2

Italy is already a sort of minor axis

its minor axis, and thats what they are getting. It has no relation to medirranean area in the game

[THEPolishThunder]

@dotSHINI

Whats the point of your post,

Leopard 2E (Spain) (Italian tech tree)

I propose adding the Spanish Leopard 2E MBT (also known as Leopard 2 Impreso) to the game. It is a licensed modification of the German Leopard 2A6, produced in Spain by Santa Bárbara Sistemas between 2003 and 2008. The tank was developed under the Coraza-2000 program to replace the aging M60A3s. The main difference from the base 2A6 is the armor. An additional composite armor module was added to the upper glacis plate (UFP), similar to the one found on the Swedish Strv 122. Additionally, the r…

[dotSHINI]

but like thats the whole thread about.
He made the suggestion for the vehicle in the sugesstion of the vehicle himself

[Pipimer]

@dotSHINI

export variants still can go to germany as an option.
As its the case with many other vehicles

So? That doesn’t mean it should get the Leopard 2E. Germany has the Leopard 2EX that is the exact same

[dotSHINI]

@Pipimer

Leopard 2EX that is the exact same

factualy wrong
2EX didnt get the thermals upgraded, that was only part of the production series of the 2E and 2a6Hel

[Pipimer]

What about the Leopard 2EX demo 2 I am pretty sure it had everything and a better engine

[dotSHINI]

You realy need catch up on your Leopard knowledge if you actualy wanna talk about them, instead of throwing out information.
The Demo 2 is only a modification to the hull.
It was the installation of the better engine that lead to the PSO later on

The last bit, the turret is identical to the Demo 1