kh25MT?Kh-25MTP?(Kh-25mpu?)

English is not my first language, and I used AI translation. I apologize for that in advance.

As we all know, the importance of the Kh series of missiles to Soviet aviation cannot be overstated. From the Kh-23, Kh-25, Kh-29, to the Kh-38, their status is almost equivalent to the American AGM-65 Maverick series. Ranging from BR 9.3 to 12.7, these missiles have won countless fans thanks to their large warheads and high speed. At least for me, the first time I saw the massive body of the Kh-25ML pierce the roof of an enemy tank, I was absolutely thrilled – I watched the replay several times.

In the recent “Nuclear Thunder” event, Gaijin added the Kh-25mpu, which is an anti-radiation variant of the Kh-25. This piqued my curiosity about the Kh-25 family. As a missile that has been in service since the 1970s, it clearly has many improved variants. And that brings us to the stars of today: the Kh-25MT (TV) and the Kh-25MTP (IR).

Some players might say: “We already have the Kh-38ML and the Kh-38MT . They dominate top-tier ground battles with unparalleled speed and massive explosive yield. Even around BR 11.3, the Kh-29T fills the role of a Soviet fire-and-forget missile. Your proposed toys are redundant.”

But here’s the reality:

  1. The situation at Soviet BR 11.3–11.7 is quite complicated.Yes, there’s no denying that the BMPT is slaughtering everything on the ground (I support moving it to 12.7). But when we look at the air side: Su-25T, Su-39, Su-24M, MiG-27K, Yak-141, Ka-50, Mi-35M. Among these, the only vehicle with thermal imaging is the Mi-35M. None of them can carry a fire-and-forget munition that can lock onto a moving target from beyond 6 km. Once they encounter high-tier AA, heavy aircraft like the Su-25T and Su-24M are helpless. The Ka-50 also has a bug where its IR countermeasures fail. The ones that can fight back somewhat are the earlier MiG-27K and Mi-35M. This problem is clearly caused by outdated accompanying munitions.

  2. Second issue – which may seem off-topic but is actually more critical – is that Gaijin appears to have confused the Kh-29T, Kh-29TE, and Kh-29TD.They have roughly lumped them all together as TV-guided missiles, with only minor statistical tweaks. If these missiles were correctly differentiated and the corresponding aircraft BRs adjusted, my entire post would be unnecessary. The Kh-29TD (IR) would be a great option as well.

  3. The third issue is about munition miniaturization.Remember the Yak-141 from point 1? I didn’t mention it earlier because it has no air-to-ground guided weapons at all (the Yak-38 at least gets two Kh-23M……). Additionally, the Yak-130 is about to be added this patch. The dev video has already shown it carrying Kh-25ML. To be honest, it’s no different from the aircraft mentioned above. But it would be very nice if it could carry the Kh-25MT (TV) and Kh-25MTP (IR). These lighter missiles (compared to the Kh-29) were designed precisely for light aircraft, and they can also be carried by some helicopters – that would be an excellent addition.

  4. The fourth issue is the AA-versus-aircraft arms race, and it relates to top tier.In the current air defense network formed by vehicles like the IRIS-T SLM and HQ-11 , weapons that rely on quantity – such as the Spice 250 and the upcoming GBU-53 – actually perform better. The Kh-25 series, which can be carried on twin racks, would also enrich the strike options for Soviet aircraft at top tier, allowing them to expend some of the enemy’s missiles to create a kill opportunity. (I don’t know if this would be overpowered – call it a bit of personal bias.)

My words are just a starting point. I welcome everyone to discuss and add any relevant information. Thank you.

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Yeah, no

In this sentence, I want to express about historical status rather than in-game strength.

thank you

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Your post has raised a very good point, and I have benefited greatly from it

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We need these and then remove the 38s there not real but these are

@Smin1080p_WT can we expect the kh25mt for the mig 27 family this update or later, as its getting arm missiles? it would definitely benefit it as the su24m is at the same br with more TV weapons.

Do you have a source for Kh-25MTP/MT specifically? I know ML can be carried by the Ka-52 and stuff but idk about these

Russian CAS is just crap. Early-tier nations already have their own F&F weapons, except for Russia, which only got the KH-29T or KAB-500KR starting in 11.0, while other nations’ early tiers also have thermal imaging.

The only F&F weapon with thermal imaging is the KH-38MT.

In ~70% of games, it gives me maps with poor visibility, so I can’t see anything on the map. Only when a player spots something do I know where everyone is.

Adding the KH-25MTP would be a good solution since Russia doesn’t have aircraft carrying thermal sights like other nations do in this BR range.

There’s also the KH-25MT variant, where some aircraft can carry four missiles instead of two KH-29Ts.

In later tiers, there isn’t much thermal imaging either, where some aircraft should have the SAPSAN-E pod (MiG-29SMT, Su-27SM, etc.).

There is also the option of a thermal imaging sight for Kab bombs or KH-29 missiles, where my proposal was submitted and accepted on a Russian forum three years ago.

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Smoakie don’t you technically mean 8? Community Bug Reporting System

thats laser and 69.99 € plane :<

Wouldn’t they be able to carry the same amount? not that I have any proof, just my though process.
69.99 too expensive -_-

I don’t know what’s going on

Why wouldn’t it be able to use 8 MT’s is what im saying

who the fk knows lol

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@Smin1080p_WT can we expect the kh25mt for the mig 27 family this update or later, as its getting arm missiles? it would definitely benefit it as the su24m is at the same br with more TV weapons.

Mi28N and Mi35P.

You fire against static vehicles like SPAAs via pointlock from much further (longest kill i got was 14km) and if theres no SPAAs you approach for track lock against tanks. Barring Yak141 (i dont even know why you mentioned it as it completely lacks any guided ordiance) every single vehicle you mentioned is more than adequate for CAS
Su25T has 20! A2G missiles, IRCM dazzler on tail to defend from A2A missiles and 4 A2A missiles two of which are IRCCM Archers.
Su39 is Su25T but better as it gets the ability for a underfuselage radar for HOBS with R73 and it gets a better version of Kh29T
Su24M can bring either 3 good Kh29s+2KABs or Kh25MLs or glide GNSS bombs or 2 Kh29s and 4 KABs, its a really good ground striker for 11.3
Mig27K is somewhat outshined by the other options but still gets access to 2x 29s and 2x25MLs
Ka50 has Vikhrs which are the best A2G SAL missile on helicopters and Mi35M is at 10.7 with good loadout and thermals.

Skill issue.

Are you sure this isnt just you not understanding seeker shutoff that is present on a vast majority of SAMs and later A2A missiles?

In what way, they are just improvement upon the range. TV guided seekers (russian and american) have all roughly 5-6km track range as that is basically unified by gaijin, outside of Maverick 65A and KAB500 as those are below 3km as they have worse seekers.

Yes im sure russia needs more CAS missiles. Surely.

Its a failed naval fighter… what do you expect.

Its at 9.3 in GRB first of all, second of all it doesnt have Kh25MLs as it doesnt have a targeting pod AND it instead has 4 KAB500s which are at 9.3 BR good. They have very poor track lock on range but at 9.3 you dont exactly face the best SPAAs.

Has it ever had Kh25 missiles mounted? They are adding Yak130 not Yak130M which is a more modernized version. I too would be happy if a lot of my planes in other nations had munitions that they never carried but would make sense but that is not how things work in WT.

not a single vehicle you have listed is capable of seeing SLM or HQ11 unless you uptier it. If you do so youre willingly accepting that you will be using less than adequate vehicles against more modern system.
If i bring an Alphajet to 13.0 i cannot be angry that it has been destroyed by something like Pantsir.

ARH missiles you can multipath

lol
lmao
Weapons that rely on quantity but lack speed get intercepted by most top tier SPAAs. (not the japanese ones) Glide bombs are notorious for getting intercepted because they are so slow. Released at max of Mach 1.0 (1.1 for 53Bs) they start losing speed immediately.
Speed takes precedence over quantity. You can drop all 20 Spices or StormBreakers but if there is a single SM SV not one of them is getting through.
But a single Kh38MT or ML fired within 10km? that has a much higher chance of hitting the enemy before interception.

plane dependent

they are being enriched enough come next update with Kh31PD having insane speed and cover all SPAA bands.

This just feels like a cope post of someone who doesnt know how to use russian strike planes.