Kfir Aircraft [C.1 - C.10 Blk 60] | From Cub to Lion - Discussion, Analysis and Research

Greetings War Thunder community, this forum thread has been opened in order to not only compile new information about the Kfir series of aircraft, but to also centralize it in a (hopefully) organized forum.

Without any further ado, I’d like to start this forum post with the following.


Kfir C.2 / C.7 RWR Screen

Currently the Kfir C.2 and C.7 are currently operating an outdated RWR screen model, which does not reflect the reality of its true implementation.

Kfir C.2 / C.7 - The RWR MFD can be seen having a duplicate RWR layout seen before the MFD overhaul update implemented several game versions ago.

This of course is in contradiction of known pictures and source material of the SPS-200 RWR system and known Kfir C.2 cockpit pictures. Here some of the mentioned images in order to show the contrast between them:

Elisra poster showing Kfir C.2 cockpit and a closeup of the RWR screen and the SPS-200 sensors, one can see the “scope-like” lines that go around and across the screen, avid readers may notice the absence of an “AN/APR-25(V)” text above the upper side of the square display.

RC2cockpit

Kfir RC.2 - Reconnaissance Kfir C.2 cockpit based on the original Kfir C.2, one may notice the RWR screen has the same lines around and across the display just as the images before suggest.

Kfir C.7 - A clear cockpit view of the Kfir C.7, notice the same lines around the RWR screen, as well as the left MFD showing the aircraft ordinance inventory.


Kfir C.7 Weapon Delivery and Navigation Systems

Currently the Kfir C.7 uses its MFD as a map exclusive display. Unfortunately, this isn’t historically correct, as it contradicts the avionics updates made specifically for the C.7 variant.

In this case, the Kfir C.7 comes with the System 82 Computer, a crucial part of Elbit’s Weapon Delivery and Navigation Systems, which provides assistance in the launching of IR guided missiles by showing the necessary information on the HUD, as well as providing information of the ground ordinance and other integrated weapons attached to the aircraft through the display.

[Note: The archived IAI Kfir tape will be linked in the sources below]

Kfir C.7 - Cockpit picture showing the full layout of the aircraft, notice the left MFD providing a clear inventory of the integrated ordinance and weapons of the aircraft alphanumerically.

Sys82 poster

Official Elbit Systems propaganda piece of the Weapon Delivery and Navigation Systems, showing not only electronics but functions.

Kfir C.7 - Side view of the left MFD showing the same inventory system provided by the System 82 computer.

The HUD and other electronic components of the Kfir’s HUD which work hand in hand with the System 82 computers for A/A and A/G duties.

sys82

Elbit Systems CRT Multi Function Display fitted into the Kfir C.7, notice the variety of modes provided by the System 82 computers, which work in tandem with the aircraft’s HUD.


Kfir C.2 / C.7 Heads Up Display

Currently, the Kfir C.2 and Kfir C.7 are operating an incomplete version of the HUD in-game, in the case of the Kfir C.7 this comes integrated within the System 82 computer mentioned before and a Colombian Air Force documentary of their in-service C.7’s, while in the C.2 comes through the following articles in regards to the ELTA EL/M-2001B radar and an archived IAI tape about the Kfir.

Before presenting the material, here is a picture of the Kfir C.2/C.7 HUD in-game for reference:

Here are the pictures and material in question:

2001B 1

Flight International Magazine - Description and inner workings described of the ELTA EL/M-2001B Radar.

2001B 2

Flight International Magazine - Accurate description of the radar and HUD working in tandem to provide the pilot an accurate guidance and tracking of targets despite harsh conditions.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Footage - Kfir C.7 footage of a Python 3 missile, in the video one may see the diamond spinning around before locking into place apparently.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - The aircraft seen throughout the video will be the Kfir C.7 as seen in this screenshot of a pilot getting inside the cockpit.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Notice the gun lead indicator leaning towards the right as well as other HUD elements visible.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Despite the image being blurry, the gun lead indicator can be seen perfectly centered.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Notice the gun lead indicator in movement, as well as the diamond near it.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Notice the gun lead indicator and the diamond are totally still.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - A different side of the HUD, we can appreciate the artificial horizon and other elements.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Another view of the gun lead indicator, this time the pilot is pulling the aircraft towards an enemy Kfir C.7 in a mock dogfight.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Yet another view of the radar gun lead in the Colombian Kfir’s HUD.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - The radar gun lead is about to be pulled into the opposing Kfir on the left.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Another view of the HUD, the aircraft can be seen tilting downwards towards the left.

Kfir C.7 Colombian Air Force Documentary - Last view of the radar gun lead in the video, targeting an objective far away.

Colombian Kfir C.2 Emergency Footage - HUD footage from a Kfir C.2 malfunction incident during a training exercise. This footage was provided by the pilot himself in his YouTube channel.


Kfir 2000 Cockpit

I’d first like to direct everyone to Surbaissemaxxing’s Kfir 2000 suggestion post which is great at compiling the basics and history of the Kfir 2000 project.

Without any further ado, here are the following pictures found in regards to the Kfir 2000 / C.10 / CE:

Kfir 2000 1

Kfir C.10 Cockpit — Besides the MFD modes displayed, the main difference in comparison to the Block 60 variant are the now squared MFD’s.

Kfir 2000 2

Kfir CE Cockpit — Higher resolution and better color accuracy picture, the weapons stations and Data Link modes can be appreciated on the square MFD’s.

Kfir CE Cockpit — A powered down Kfir CE, notice the majority of analog instruments and the seemingly empty upper regions over the MFD’s.

Kfir CE Cockpit — A pilot mounted on the cockpit, one may notice the Data Link visible on the MFD’s.

Kfir CE Cockpit — Closeup view of the right MFD displaying the Data Link and sensor capabilities available.

Kfir CE Cockpit — Left side view of the Kfir CE, giving an additional angle of the aircraft’s cockpit.

Kfir CE Cockpit — The HUD from a Kfir CE pointing towards another Kfir CE dressed in the 25th Anniversary Livery of the Ecuadorian Air Force.


Sources

Sources in order of appearance:

[Note: To maximize the reach of this post, the source titles have been translated to English]

All of the presented sources have been archived locally on my computer in order to maintain, preserve and further utilize them if ever needed. I encourage other community members to do the same in the very case my equipment may fail, redundancy is key.


“The World According to Pirry | Colombian Air Force 85th Anniversary (November 6th, 2004)” also comes with another archival series of links by another channel, which will be linked in any case:

  1. CACOM-1 Squadron TV Special over Palanquero - Kfir Aircraft | Part 1
  2. CACOM-1 Squadron TV Special over Palanquero - Kfir Aircraft | Part 2
  3. CACOM-1 Squadron TV Special over Palanquero - Kfir Aircraft | Part 3

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Very nice post!
I suggest you make some of these into bug reports if you haven’t already, you clearly have enough sourcing.

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Thank you, I’ll definitely make a report regarding this issues since the Kfir is my favorite aircraft of all time, however I’d still like to compile a bit more source material, mainly due to me using a great amount of secondary sources.

Also because I’d like to report my new findings regarding the Kfir C.10 Block 60 in this forum thread as well.

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Excellent research; these details may seem small, but they are very useful for simulator games. The Kfir C.10, specifically, was a hurried vehicle that is not entirely complete, and the worst part is that, due to a poor understanding of game balance, its armament and other missing avionics will not be complete. I hope this very interesting vehicle gets fixed.

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Kfir C.10 Block 60

Another gem produced by the Israeli industry, this time being the Colombian modernization of their existing C.10 fleet. Before anyone reads any further, I’d like to direct to GranColombia’s Kfir C.10 Block 60 dedicated thread for context in regards to this particular aircraft.

Colombian Air Force Kfir C.10, registry [FAC-3059] during takeoff on Medellín

During my research into the Kfir C.10 Block 60, there have been many pieces of evidence, footage, images, and many more pieces of useful information to get this Kfir variant to historical accuracy, due to the length of provided material, this will be divided into other smaller sub-sections.


Multi Purpose Display Modes

Part of the found information in regards to the Kfir C.10 Block 60’s avionics has been due to the Colombian Air Force’s Official YouTube Channel, WebInfoMil’s YouTube Channel and Hector Cordoba’s YouTube Channel, which thanks to their uploaded videos have made this entirely possible.

As it stands today, we currently only have two dedicated MFD modes in the Kfir C.10 Block 60’s MFD’s, those being:

  • Radar (left and right MFD)
  • Map (left MFD)
  • Targeting Pod (left and right MFD)

Current MFD layout in the Kfir C.10 Block 60’s cockpit.

A bug report requesting the addition of these extra MFD modes has been already made, here is the link to the report.

According to the footage found we can extend these MFD modes up to the following list:

Left MFD:

  • Radar
  • Weapons Inventory
  • Heads Up Display
  • Targeting Pod

Right MFD

  • Digital Moving Map
  • Data Link (Link 16)
  • Targeting Pod

Now, to compare, prove, and contrast here are the actual cockpit pictures of the Kfir C.10 Block 60:

Due to the many images attached, a {spoiler} has been added, click here to view content.

[Note: The sources will be timestamped below]

Colombian Air Force - Notice the MFD’s showing radar functionality (left) and Data Link (right).

Colombian Air Force - Another pictures of the MFD’s showing radar functionality (left) and Data Link (right).

Colombian Air Force - High angle cockpit picture showing radar functionality (left) and Data Link (right).

Colombian Air Force - Left angle picture of the cockpit, notice the Weapons Inventory on the left MFD and Data Link on the right MFD.

Colombian Air Force - Right angle picture of the cockpit, an unknown MFD mode is seen on the left, as well as the Data Link on the right MFD.

Israel Aircraft Industries - Picture from the official promotional material for the Kfir from IAI, notice the Weapons Inventory on the left, as well as the colored artificial horizon below the left MFD and the navigation at the middle MFD.

Israel Aircraft Industries - Picture from the official promotional material for the Kfir from IAI, the radar (left) and Data Link (right) MFD functions are fully seen.

Israel Aircraft Industries - Another picture from IAI’s Kfir promotional material, notice the navigation in the middle MFD and the colored artificial horizon.

Colombian Air Force - Right angle picture of the cockpit, the radar (left) and DataLink function (right) can be appreciated on the MFD’s.

Colombian Air Force - Full MFD picture, one can appreciate the HUD being displayed on the left MFD and the Data Link on the right MFD.

Colombian Air Force - Notice the left MFD showing Data Link functionality, the navigation in the middle MFD, and the colored artificial horizon.

Colombian Air Force - The radar (left) and Data Link (right) functionalities are faintly visible due to the casted shadow in the cockpit.

Colombian Air Force - Upper view of the cockpit, notice the radar (left MFD) and Data Link (right MFD) visible.

Colombian Air Force - Takeoff cockpit view, the radar (left MFD) and Data Link (right MFD) modes in view.

Colombian Air Force - A similar picture showing the left MFD in an unknown mode and the right MFD showing the Data Link function.

Colombian Air Force - Formation view, notice the Data Link on the right MFD.

Israel Aircraft Industries - Notice the Data Link screen and radar screen being shown in the video.

Colombian Air Force - High resolution closeup of the Data Link view of the right MFD.

Colombian Air Force - Another high resolution closeup of the Data Link view in the right MFD, in the video, with the click of a button the pilot switches from the Digital Map to Data Link.

Israel Aircraft Industries - Kfir C.10 Block 60 training simulator, notice the radar (left MFD) and Digital Map (right MFD) on the simulator’s screens.

Israel Aircraft Industries - Kfir C.10 Block 60 training simulator, notice the weapons inventory on the left MFD as well as the Digital Map on the right MFD.

Colombian Air Force Footage - Footage from the WSO from a Kfir TC.10, notice the instruments, MFD’s, and MFD modes are the same as before. Notice as well the actual complexity of the artificial horizon, showing not only the inclination, but altitude and airspeed.

Colombian Air Force Footage - Yet some more footage from the WSO from a Kfir TC.10, notice the instruments, MFD’s, and MFD modes are the same as before. Notice as well the actual complexity of the artificial horizon, showing not only the inclination, but altitude and airspeed.

RADAR 5 MFD

Lahav Division Brochure - Radar screen layout of the Kfir C.10 MFD’s.

Lahav Division Brochure - Another picture of the radar screen layout of the Kfir C.10 MFD’s.

RADAR 4 MFD

Lahav Division Brochure - High quality picture of the Kfir C.10 Block 60 MFD’s, the radar mode seems the most accurate to all the footage seen so far.

RADAR 3 MFD

Lahav Division Brochure - Data Link layout of the Kfir C.10 Block 60 in their MFD’s.

RWR 2 MFD

Lahav Division Brochure - Higher quality picture of the Data Link layout in the MFD’s, from the footage seen, this is the most accurate so far.

POD MFD

Lahav Division Brochure - Picture showing the Targeting Pod on the MFD’s.

ground mode mfd

Lahav Division Brochure - Picture showing the Ground Scan capabilities on the MFD’s.


Heads Up Display

Currently the Kfir C.10 Block 60 has 3 main HUD modes available in-game, these being:

  • Standard

  • Air-to-Air

  • Air-to-ground

Curiously, and according to the Kfir CE HUD picture seen in the post above, one may conclude that both the Kfir 2000 / CE and the Kfir C.10 Block 60 use the same HUD.

However, this is unfortunately incorrect in comparison to the pictures that will be provided below:

Israel Aircraft Industries - Kfir C.10 Block 60 training simulator, notice the HUD visible in front, as well as the MFD’s below.

Israel Aircraft Industries - Kfir C.10 Block 60 training simulator, notice the HUD visible in front being quite blurry though not unreadable.

Colombian Air Force - HUD footage from the Colombian Air Force, showing the BINGO, angle of attack, G load, Mach number, ground target box and bomb lead.

Colombian Air Force - Similar picture as before, showing the HUD footage from the Colombian Air Force, displaying the BINGO, angle of attack, G load, Mach number, ground target box and bomb lead.

Colombian Air Force - Similar picture as before, notice the altitude and airspeed show on the left and right are in square shaped containers, rather than partly triangular as in-game.


Sources

[Note: the following sources ARE NOT in order of appearance]

The material shown has been archived on my local device, I highly encourage others to do the same, for reach purposes, the titles have once again been translated and timestamped in the case of cockpit footage, I recommend going frame by frame to get a better look in such cases.

[WebInfomil] – Step on board a Kfir and experience a live air resupply mission with the KC-767

[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – 90 years serving our Nation

[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – Colombian Air Force en route to Red Flag Rescue 2021 | To Fly Magazine

[IAI] – Kfir Aircraft - Master the Skies with this Advanced Fighter Aircraft | IAI

[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – State Authority of Aeronautical State Aviation, a pillar for our Public Force’s aviation

[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – “Relámpago IX-24”, elite training between Colombia and the USA

[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – 50 years of Supersonic Aviation

[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – MY HEART BEATS FOR YOU

[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – The Air Force will execute its first Package Commander Mission

[Johan Quintero] – kfir blitz video

[Johan Quintero] – kfir blitz… take off from Pto Salgar

[Hector Cordoba]’s YouTube Channel:

[Getty Images] – Israel Aerospace Industries Headquarters Campus Visit

Brochures and other information

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Edits done so far:

  • Added footage I forgot to add before
  • Added main sources
  • Added complementary sources from brochures
  • Added spoilers to shorten post length
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I highly encourage everyone to keep the research ongoing, to present further evidence in the bug-reports I am planning on doing this week.

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