Holy shit that’s an incredible finding.
Would you mind sharing the document?
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wtf is f-21
F-21 is the designation for the Kfir Canard in the US Navy.
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Never knew us used kfirs… and the navy? Wowza
Yeah, the US operated the C.2 and C.1 as part of their aggressors teams, they were pretty useful simulating high accelerating aircraft.
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is that the kfir canard?
Yes.
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They had a discord server? Wow
The pocket check lists mention about warning lights, emergency procedures, data and limitation stuffs.
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Wow, do you mind sharing the link to their Discord server internally? I can’t seem to find them by looking them up on google.
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Check PM
anything that shows sustained turn or anything? or does max g just refer to just absolute max g pull?
I lowk wonder if it’s underperforming, as even with a much stronger engine it barely rates better than the mirage 3…
Those limitations are already implemented in the game?
I have Kfir Canard but, too lazy to check for me.
No mention about that because they are still pocket checklists.
If you contact the Pentagon, you may be able to obtain the NAVAIR manual or its equivalent through a FOIA request.
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I am mostly invested in the correct modeling of the WDNS on the C.7 as well as other avionics
Worth it for proving incorrect pilot model?
I can see naval aviator has HGU-55P helmet but not sure IDF also had it in late 1980s.
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Just realized I never replied to this, what I seem to understand is that the Kfir Canard / Gderot / C.1 had these very issues of poor instantaneous AOA as well as turn rate due to the added weight of the J79 powerplant put into the fuselage, as well as the general enlargements done to the fuselage to conform around the engine.
Therefore its performance is worse than the Mirage III / Mirage V, though compensating on the integrated payloads, faster speeds, and overall satisfaction of Israeli officials by ditching the unreliable and poorly performing Snecma Atar engine to their taste.
These AOA and turn problems would later be resolved by the upgrades to the engine plant (yes, the engine on the Kfir gets better with every version, something not modeled in game) as well as the addition of the bigger canards seen on the C.2 and onward variants.
Iirc these engine upgrades are slight modifications done by the Israeli Air Force to make it more efficient and less prone to failure, and (I might be pulling this one out of my ass) I THINK they managed to add around 500kgf of thrust at one point, though I am not entirely sure.
The Kfir is supposed to get slight tweaks to the J79 powerplant even in the C.10 variant as reported multiple times by the Colombian news coverage and statements from official FAC (Colombian Air Force [Spanish abbreviation]) personnel.
You might recall that quote I presented earlier of “After putting the aircraft through total re-engineering…” where the solving of engine problems had been addressed, these problems which had caused various Kfir units to crash on Colombian soil.
TL;DR: Want great performance? Play the C.2 or C.7, the C.1 isn’t as great as one may expect. It’s a great base-bomber and dogfighter in simulator battles, not so much in realistic
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Greetings Kfir enjoyers, I’ve got good news.
NEW REPORT EVERYONE!
Please go show it some love, this is my best written report so far, and it would greatly improve the Kfir C.10 Block 60 in its avionics and historical accuracy.
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Nothing interesting but, still worth it
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