theres no way u consider it better than the fa18e
ef2000/rafale is better than fa18e, time to give it prototype engines with less power and add more drag to the airframe, honestly what’s your logic here besides “whataboutisms” which are a logically fallacy.
I unlocked my J10C and bought 3 modules with Ge last night.
Honestly its not as bad as people claim, the thing is compare to Su30SM2,Rafale or AESA Typhoons it offers nothing special.
Still compare to J-10A it feels upgrade even tho it lacks WS-10B engine, flight performance is actually quite nice alongside with AESA radar and additional missiles.
You just have to play it like a sneaky ninja.
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J-10A at 13.7 can still compete with non-AESA Typhoons at 14.0-14.3, but that doesn’t mean that J-10A is a 14.3 material.
The Super Hornet’s forte lies on its payload capacity, with more AIM-120B/C than vanilla PL-12s J-10s can ever carry (without hampering its sustainability). And a higher instant AOA it can pull in a dogfight after the initial merge.
And compared to J-10A, what does J-10C have? A different loadout that eschews the ventral fuel tank for 2 AAMs and more drag, a sidegraded AESA that trades its gimbal limit (which could be false as well) for some better range that is irrelevant in WT, and an insufficiently upgraded engine whose benefits made moot by the higher empty weight. Do these differences sound like they warrant a BR bump, honestly?
It’s serviceable with some proper micromanagement, but for too long the Chinese and the US (as well as some others) TTs haven’t had one single meta planes, and their planes are barely serviceable against these other jets. It’s enough to hold itself but far from enough to mount a counterattack.
true PL-12 slaps hard in ARB at the moment
You’re underestimating J10C’s radar a lot.
Sure it has less gimbal limit than regular J10’s radar (which is probably wrong) but in return it gets much better scan speed,zone, detailed NCTR and much better situational awareness.
My main problem with J10C is that lacking WS-10B engine, current one doesnt feel like its enough.
Also trading fuel tank with extra 2 missiles is worth it, I just put my throttle at 105 percent until furball begins and then push the engine to its limits, so far I’ve never run out of fuel.
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Yet it was never a meta missiles, same as the AMRAAMs. The only advantage that J-10C has is its better flying characteristics inherited from J-10A. The radar’s stats is copied from AN/APG-63, only tilted upwards in J-10C’s case. The missile hasn’t been upgraded for three updates, while you have Mica, R-77-1 and AMRAAM-B (C is a specialized sidegrade I think everyone can agree on that, whose close-quarter capability got butchered). Also PL-12’s seeker is a bit unreliable, as it’s awfully easy to chaff when the missile is pulling hard, just like AMRAAMs. So how would one justify that it deserves 14.3 at its current state?
Sure it has less gimbal limit than regular J10’s radar (which is probably wrong) but in return it gets much better scan speed,zone, detailed NCTR and much better situational awareness.
Not only probably wrong, but also depriving the ability of notch-while-guiding from the plane. 10A could do that, well, mostly. Can’t complain about the scan speed, but even that is somewhat slower than CAPTOR-E: KLJ-10A scans at around 12.63°/s at 30° horizontal scan, while CAPTOR-E scans @ 15°/s at the same condition, an nearly 18% extra speed. And what is with that NATO-standard distance measurement according to the radar HUD, even when China sticks to metric system? It really gets under my skin that this radar’s stats appears to be directly copied from APG-63, with the additional inclusion of NCTR, to be frank.
The main point still stands, it’s a sidegrade, not specifically an upgrade. And granted, J-10C can hold its own against Typhoon, Gripen, Rafale and (especially in close quarters) Su-30SM/2, but the performance isn’t on par with them.
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I agree with you and I get why you are mad, trust me I’m dissappointed with how Gaijin implemented current J10C as well.
Despite its problems its a fun plane and it feels like upgrade compare J10A, its just doesnt deserve to sit at 14.3 with its current form, especially considering JAS39E is sitting at 14.0
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More like frustrated. I’ve seen people claiming that the Firebird-C is better than the Super Hornet so it’s justified to sit at 14.3, but ignored that Super Hornet didn’t necessarily deserve to sit there either. Perhaps the total firepower it carries, or the AOA it pulls as a conventionally designed fighter jet? Meanwhile you have Su-30SM/2, Typhoons and Gripens that have very good radars, the latter two of which also possessing great maneuverability, then you have Rafale that possesses MICA that pulls insanely and the fuselage’s good maneuverability as well. Then you have the GE, the Super H and J-10C who don’t really distinguish itself from all these other 14.0-14.3 jets. The GE has absolute speed, the Hornets pull hard, and the Firebird is more like a jack-of-all-trades, but I fear that’s it. These three comprise the lower half of 14.3 that at their current conditions may have been better suited at 14.0, but here we are.
(Edit: Su-30 has a decent R-77-1 as well, so awesome radar and armament.)
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J10C It’s the worst 14.3 in the game.
It manages to be worse than the f18E.
The lack of power compared to the SU30SM2, EF, and Rafale, coupled with the lack of countermeasures.
This makes this aircraft a terrible medium/light fighter.
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You can just say its worse than the Big 3 and be correct you dont need to invalidate your argument by saying something as blatantly wrong as it being worse than the F18E
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But he is worse.
In terms of acceleration and top speed, it’s better than the F-18; in everything else, it’s worse, including in terms of survivability.
72 CM is a joke
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that’s more CM than the rafale btw, and have you ever actually used the F-18E?? since the plane has no acceleration and massive energy bleed your pretty much dead after 1 turn, the plane also only has 120 regular cm instead of large but has no MAW to help it know when a real treat is coming to save CMs like the J10 so i would like to know in what world is the F-18E better in any other way than the J10c other than missile count.
rafale gets 168 cms
112 chaff and 56 flares
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oh yeah my b i forget it gets more than the stat card
Speed definitely helps when you are notching, but I’m afraid that the Super H doesn’t have enough to notch an AMRAAM at distance.
That said, the top 3 should be raised to 14.7; perhaps plus Su-30SM1 and JAS39E, if neither then the latter should be raised to 14.3. CN/US/IL at this moment have the worst 14.0-14.3 jet fighters now, compared to the top 3.
Yeah your correct, i just cant understand why so many people complaining about the J-10C spend all their time comparing it to the 1 jet at its Br its undoubtably better than.
I love how a person who doesnt have a single battle in neither of the J-10s says it should be 14.3
His other points stand, he’s just wrong that at current state of affairs J-10C fits in 14.3. On the other hand it does have a MAWS and NCTR that mey bump its BR to 14.0. But maybe not enough to 14.3.
If you check mine statcard then you know I suffer generally but managed to achieve a K/D of 1.5 and K/R of 1.2 in J-10C. (may drop in the future, considering how the Snail would act to further gimp J-10 in general)