Yeah. US is a CAS/CAP heavy nation, with by far the best multiroles.
Though yeah, both Britain and USA need their ADATS replaced at top tier for an actual dedicated SPAA system and my god the Pantsir is fricking OP. Other nations need something at least close to equal
I think they suffer on protection part mostly and adding unexperienced players into that formula only makes it worse.
You might wanna check that, according to Alvis Tor-M1 is even better then Pantsir S1.
I was around 10-12km away from the battlefield. at around 15k ft whilst doing high G turns dogfighting in the Gripen and was sniped out of the air. Not the first time either. I keep getting slapped out of the sky at ranges far far beyond what should be possible. I really dont understand his stance. All other SPAA feel stupidly weak and easy to counter in comparison
I usually sits at 14-15km against Pantsir when im using Gripen or F-16C, at those ranges it becomes easier to dodge those missiles if you’re just gonna send some Mavericks on its way.
As for Alvis claim;tbh i have no idea how he thinks Tor-M1 is better then Pantsir considering it has less range,no auto cannons and worse radar that gives hard lock and launch warning.
Yep. I suppose it will come with practice. But They really need to add some better hard counters. PGMs just get swatted out of the sky and I just dont feel that the GBUs or AGMs have enough range on the Gripen. Definetly feel we need something like ALARM, Martels or even GPS guided cruise missiles. Might be dodgable by just moving, but at least would have a chance
Not just PGM’s but also Mavericks. Last night a single Flarakrad managed to shot down my 5 mavericks missiles before they hit him, thankfully last one managed to kill him but i suspect its because he was out of VT-1 missiles.
İ managed to hit targets from 12-15kms with my Mavericks while using Gripen, as for Gbu’s i usually use them from 8-11km’s and most of the time i get quite succesful in those attempts.
Always welcome for more enhanced weapon systems, sign me in :)
Yeah, But starting to feel we need weapons that are suited for the 20+ km range.
So many awesome weapons types… just never added.
Agreed, we need better weapons systems as well as better Spaa systems(not for Russia tho).
Brimstones for Tornado when?
Unfortunately… thats the Tornado Gr4. Which god knows.
But Martels, ALARM, CBUs. They could all come for the Gr1. Martels actually sound kinda OP from what Flame and Gunjob have said over in the Tornado thread.
We are British players so we’re familiar with bein patient.
İs it weird that i want it even more now :)
Nope. The Tornado feels like this runt of the TT. But it really really shouldnt be. In fact it should kick the ass of every. single. other. CAS. In. the. game.
Yeah considering how RAF and Lutwaffe are still using them i agree on that part.
İm also waiting for upgraded Tornados for Germany, apperently latest version is quite enhanced in every single way.
Thunderskill isn’t a valid source.
Winrate still doesn’t dictate how powerful vehicles are.
Winrate is primarily about team skill, and in the name of Thunderskill they’re determining skill of players not vehicle power.
Well. RAF retired them in 2019. But yeah, was very recent. And they did what the americans couldnt during desert storm.
there is a really good suggestion for Both Britain and Italys upgrade Tornados, but not one yet for Germany. Its got some good stuff, but I think Italy and Britain kinda went a little crazy on their upgrades in comparison :D
Oh didnt checked that part, my bad.
İ believe they are upgrading them with latest gen Tech and weapon systems (if they didnt already) cause i saw a suggestion on forum.
Yeah considering how they turned Tornado into a interceptor you’re right about that :)
Yeah the next round of upgrades for the German Torandos will be interesting
But just look at the weapons list for Italy
I like how France, Italy and Japan are like the forgotten middle children of war thunder. All their top tier MBTs need to be reworked.
Just need to do what us Brits did. Be really loud and annoying.
Torch and Pitchfork is ready.