No sorry i only play the game since 2015 and have almost any Abrams as well as the Stryker :(
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Since when, exactly? And don’t ask me to check Protection Analysis,since it is not a proper tool to use
You can’t
11.7 tanks have over 500mm+ of KE protection,and people are smart enough to hide their weakspot.
At around 1km,the M774 pens 350mm point blank,so tell me:when will you stop lying?
Don’t tell me you think M1 suffers at 10.7 ?
Slightly buffing gun handling of T-tanks wouldn’t either, but you don’t see me supporting it.
You are comparing the best conventional kinetic penetrator in the game (that only one currently hard to obtain tank is equipped with) to the Abrams. If you were being fair you would use that same shell against soviet vehicles or even more fair just use 3bm42 as that is the Soviet standard at 10.0, not the object 292’s apfsds.
Then you would know that 18 vs 27 HP/t is night and day when it comes to mobility. Light vehicle with 18 HP/t is crazy slow at that BR.
Since it was checked in another M1 suffers thread.
Good to know buddy. That’s why my 11.7 Challenger 2 got OHK’d by getting shot with M774 in the mantlet.
What post?how it was checked? Mentioning it is silly,you either bring the proof or it’s something that didn’t happen
What part did it hit?were you injured before?where on the armor did the round hit?
There’s no fucking way. Firstly you use the Object 292 against a Abrams to justify your argument, then you use the M1 Abrams against a T-72B (1989) to reinforce the “armor inbalance” in the game. At this point I’m sure most US mains are smooth brained.
This is how it should looks like if you didn’t biased all your arguments; thus:
Even not showing at all, Object 292 can still pen the upper frontal plate;
Please stop assigning words like “suffers” to these conversations. I just think the M1 is deserving of this buff.
Not related. Please stick to the subject.
Thanks to CTCrusader pointing that you’re not going to face much Object 292, you should be using commons units like T-72B, T-72AV (Turms-T) and T-80B with 3BM42 and M1 Abrams on this comparion
It’s buried in another M1 thread with hundreds of posts. I think it was done by @Casino_Knight.
2A4 and M1 were placed at a serious distance (1km+) and both tanks shot each other. Turns out that M1 can take DM23 just as good as 2A4 can take M774.
Gun mantlet.
I wasn’t injured, it killed all three crew in the turret with a single shot.
And what gets you to believe M1 deserves this buff ?
What’s so crazy bad about M774 that you cannot work around ?
I’m sticking to the subject. You said M774 is the worst MBT round at that tier and M833 would be too, so what’s the reason in not adding it ? Same can be said for T-tanks’ gun handling.
Randomly buffing tanks just because they are the worst in something at their BR is not a good idea.
User is hidden,so no chances to see the post
Nice try,buddy,your points are failing
My experience in playing the 10.7 MBTs… in addition to the M1 suffering more from the decompression than other vehicles did as it was moved away from the lighter armored MBTs into the heavily armored MBT part of the game pretty hard.
A good player could work around having to use the BT-7’s gun… this does not mean anything.
If this is all you’re getting from my words then you’re not understanding what I’m saying at all and I don’t think I have the patience to walk you through it
Rage bait
It’s either rage bait or he’s genuinely trolling.
Who?
The OP
There you go.
M1’s armor is far from being bad, at least in comparison to 2A4’s which is M1’s closest contemporary in terms of abilities. Giving M900 to M1 would be a huge step up over 2A4 which is already one of the best 10.7s. There’s literally no reason to do so.
And here’s that M774 kill.
I never really thought that lacking ~40mm of pen compared to DM23 is something that detrimental, especially since the reload speed is faster. You basically trade a bit of penetration for reload, which looks fine to me.
Ah yes, good old full uptier suffer argument. KPz-70 also has a pretty bad round and it sees 10.3 spam regularly, I think better round is needed and let’s just forget about all the pros it has over it’s contemporaries.
Either all 10.7s receive a slight buff, or none.
Yeah let’s pretend M774 is closer in performance to BT-7’s gun than to DM23.
Even if you had DM23 equivalent round, you’ll still aim at the same exact weakspots as you would with M774, so I have a really hard time understanding your woes.
funny enough another tank that needs a round buff as it was nerfed for no reason…
not going to argue further with you, you are set in concrete with your thinking. You also aren’t… very good… at comprehending.
Yeah it totally needs better shell to compensate for it’s amazing reload speed, mobility and gun handling.
Looking how you’re laser focused on a single metric makes me believe that you’re the one that lacks comprehension on how pros/cons system works and how ground vehicles are balanced, otherwise you wouldn’t make such egregious claims.
“Gaijin please buff the round of the KPz-70, it’s the only thing stopping it from being totally broken at it’s BR” - USA DontUnderstandHowBalancingWorks
