I propose lowering the combat rating of the Abrams

Ok I see what you are saying. Must have gotten lost between all the back and forth. At 10.7 maybe M900. I would rather see M833 then if it needs more of a boost give it M900.

The M833 as a top round is still not enough,it is still lower than the lowest threshold (≈410mm)

You add it with a 5 second reload and we will see the results. I don’t think jumping to a 500+ pen round is necessarily the answer right away. Im not sure if it warrents only a .4 br difference from a TD with the same round slower reload.

That’s kinda disingenuous. They do have armor. Inconsistent armor, sure, but the cheeks are quite protected, favoring hull down gameplay (use the M1A1 HC for best results). And the M829A2 has been quite handy for the clickbait and US teams on bumping winrates a little bit. Regarding the M1 Abrams, its round is quite decent, it doesn’t have the best postpen damage, but it’s still quite doable.

While i agree that changes to the Abrams tank series should be made for the greater good (like switching the material of the turret neck), it’s no where near the worst MBT in the game, it’s aggresively mid, and its skill ceiling demands way more game knowledge than Leopards 2A5/A6/A7V and T-80BVM/T-90M to make it work.

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The results are the same with the M774: being unable to confront any frontal turret at medium to long distances, something you’ll find pretty frequently

And that Light Tank (since the M1128 is labeled as such) has 2+ gen thermals,a (mostly) crewless turret,scouting,UAV and better optics (and Commander sights),so it would not be dethroned by a simple addition

It’s one of the best at it’s tier.

It also has bad mobility, gun handling and no thermals.

It is because M1 shines in other areas.

M1128 is at 10.3 because of poor reload and mobility, not because it lacks protection.

5s reload with M900 would be much stronger than DM23 with 6s reload or 3BM42 with 7.1s reload.

Why isn’t M1 allowed to be the worst at something?

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While crewless unless it was fixed from the last time i used it. Breeching the cannon resulted in ammo det. It may have better thermals but the Abrams still has thermals added with better mobility. I would rather see this done in increments. That or you could give the M1 M900 jump it to 11.0 and then drop it back to 10.7 if needed.

It’s not

Only flanking,which surprise surprise every tank with a hint of speed can do that

A light tank with 97/13 kph of mobility is classed as “bad”. Nice ragebait

It’s countered by the lack of protection,since the cheeks can’t tank those rounds

Because at 9.0+ you get sniping maps,maps in which flanking is not possible or easily achievable. The 2A4 can both flank and snipe without issues

It does not now,unless they use HE,in that case you get overpressured, but it’s something that can be avoided

The Stryker has better mobility,at least regarding forward speed

M774 is way worse than the other ammo at the BR. M833 is still worse but is more competitive. It would still literally have the worst ammo for a MBT at the BR AFAIK.

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I propose to lower the Ariete to 5.7

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Better, move the Ariete to 2.7

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I was talking about metrics like mobility gun handling reload speed gun depression…

Check HP/t and then come back.
It’s probably one of the slowest vehicles at BR.

2A4 has worse armor than M1. Cheeks can take DM23.

So can M1.

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You still haven’t answered my question.
That dude isn’t asking for M833, he wants M900.

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Then most of the 12.0 vehicle gonna reduce BR to 10.0, because their armour can’t hold the 152mm APFSDS 🤣🤣🤣

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Ok so deny M900 and say M833 is an acceptable buff, it does not matter.

So how about we locate every tank’s weakest point and buff it, just for reasons. Doesn’t make sense to do so though.

T-tanks have worst gun handling, let’s just buff it slightly, shall we?

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What are you even talking about

2A4 has similar handling

2A4 has same depression

Doesn’t matter,it still has a better speed than the Abrams since well, it’s a light tank. 18.7 hp/t vs. 27.3 is not a huge difference,in fact.

The Abrams’ cheeks have between 380 and 400mm of protection against KE,the 2A4 has between 420 to 800

At this point,i’m thinking you don’t know what you are talking about

Tell me if you’re able to snipe a 11.7 on the front from 900+ metres with 774,i’m curious

You want to buff M1s ammo because it’s the worst at it’s tier.
Same could be said for gun handling of T-tanks, so why not buff that as well?

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Do you even play the game ?

Check again.
2A4 can eat M774 as easily as M1 can eat DM23.

Yes, so can you.

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