Ok so deny M900 and say M833 is an acceptable buff, it does not matter.
So how about we locate every tank’s weakest point and buff it, just for reasons. Doesn’t make sense to do so though.
T-tanks have worst gun handling, let’s just buff it slightly, shall we?
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What are you even talking about
2A4 has similar handling
2A4 has same depression
Doesn’t matter,it still has a better speed than the Abrams since well, it’s a light tank. 18.7 hp/t vs. 27.3 is not a huge difference,in fact.
The Abrams’ cheeks have between 380 and 400mm of protection against KE,the 2A4 has between 420 to 800
At this point,i’m thinking you don’t know what you are talking about
Tell me if you’re able to snipe a 11.7 on the front from 900+ metres with 774,i’m curious
You want to buff M1s ammo because it’s the worst at it’s tier.
Same could be said for gun handling of T-tanks, so why not buff that as well?
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Do you even play the game ?
Check again.
2A4 can eat M774 as easily as M1 can eat DM23.
Yes, so can you.
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I want to buff the m1’s ammo because the m1, despite people overrating the shit out of it, is not actually as good as ppl think. It just needs more competitive ammo to fix this. M833 is not even going to change how it compares to other tanks…
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No sorry i only play the game since 2015 and have almost any Abrams as well as the Stryker :(
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Since when, exactly? And don’t ask me to check Protection Analysis,since it is not a proper tool to use
You can’t
11.7 tanks have over 500mm+ of KE protection,and people are smart enough to hide their weakspot.
At around 1km,the M774 pens 350mm point blank,so tell me:when will you stop lying?
Don’t tell me you think M1 suffers at 10.7 ?
Slightly buffing gun handling of T-tanks wouldn’t either, but you don’t see me supporting it.
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You are comparing the best conventional kinetic penetrator in the game (that only one currently hard to obtain tank is equipped with) to the Abrams. If you were being fair you would use that same shell against soviet vehicles or even more fair just use 3bm42 as that is the Soviet standard at 10.0, not the object 292’s apfsds.
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Then you would know that 18 vs 27 HP/t is night and day when it comes to mobility. Light vehicle with 18 HP/t is crazy slow at that BR.
Since it was checked in another M1 suffers thread.
Good to know buddy. That’s why my 11.7 Challenger 2 got OHK’d by getting shot with M774 in the mantlet.
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What post?how it was checked? Mentioning it is silly,you either bring the proof or it’s something that didn’t happen
What part did it hit?were you injured before?where on the armor did the round hit?
There’s no fucking way. Firstly you use the Object 292 against a Abrams to justify your argument, then you use the M1 Abrams against a T-72B (1989) to reinforce the “armor inbalance” in the game. At this point I’m sure most US mains are smooth brained.
This is how it should looks like if you didn’t biased all your arguments; thus:
Even not showing at all, Object 292 can still pen the upper frontal plate;
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Please stop assigning words like “suffers” to these conversations. I just think the M1 is deserving of this buff.
Not related. Please stick to the subject.
Thanks to CTCrusader pointing that you’re not going to face much Object 292, you should be using commons units like T-72B, T-72AV (Turms-T) and T-80B with 3BM42 and M1 Abrams on this comparion
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It’s buried in another M1 thread with hundreds of posts. I think it was done by @Casino_Knight.
2A4 and M1 were placed at a serious distance (1km+) and both tanks shot each other. Turns out that M1 can take DM23 just as good as 2A4 can take M774.
Gun mantlet.
I wasn’t injured, it killed all three crew in the turret with a single shot.
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And what gets you to believe M1 deserves this buff ?
What’s so crazy bad about M774 that you cannot work around ?
I’m sticking to the subject. You said M774 is the worst MBT round at that tier and M833 would be too, so what’s the reason in not adding it ? Same can be said for T-tanks’ gun handling.
Randomly buffing tanks just because they are the worst in something at their BR is not a good idea.
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User is hidden,so no chances to see the post
Nice try,buddy,your points are failing
My experience in playing the 10.7 MBTs… in addition to the M1 suffering more from the decompression than other vehicles did as it was moved away from the lighter armored MBTs into the heavily armored MBT part of the game pretty hard.
A good player could work around having to use the BT-7’s gun… this does not mean anything.
If this is all you’re getting from my words then you’re not understanding what I’m saying at all and I don’t think I have the patience to walk you through it