sim isnt rb
this sucks but it isnt relevant to the current convo where we talk about 10.7
10.7 has very few all aspect missiles
10.7 has very few radar missiles
It’s not, it’s better than other 10.7 fighters
I do these things, I don’t have issues killing the average J-7D player. We are speaking on jets.
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4 Magic-1s and heaps of CMs ARE NOT the same as 2 R3S and no CMs
A better equivalent would be the Mirage 3E at the same BR with only 2 Magic-1s +1 SARH/ Magic 0.5 and only 12 CMs
LOL so you can tank its stats and get it down to 9.7? No thanks.
Bollocks.
Can’t wait to see J-7D become 10.3
then 21SMT and 21MF goes 10.0
Nice try, dummy.
I’m talking strictly about the plane. The plane itself is a MiG 21. Sure, it can carry Magic 1s, but at the end of the day, it’s literally just a MiG 21.
I’m talking strictly about the plane. The plane itself is an F-15. Sure, it can carry AIM-120D-3’s and AIM-9X, but at the end of the day, it’s literally just an F-15
J-7D to MiG-21F-13 is like F-15EX to F-15A
So it’s still just a F-15? Cool, I guess. Sorry I’m not some nerd that goes “actually it’s a completely different thing because (extremely niche thing that no normal person can spot)”
I went on the Wiki, it’s a MiG 21MF with some Chinese avionics. That’s it. It’s a MiG 21.
Different engines I think, but basically it is.
“Noooooooooo, it’s completely different! Like the normal one only has like a red star, but the Chinese one has a yellow symbol and a band behind the star! It’s totally different brooooooo!”
Really?
Because that really sounds like you are saying that it can’t go up because its missiles are not good enough because they are rear aspect, so they are no better than R3S
More powerful engine, more missiles, better missiles and 74 CM. And it’s the missiles that are the problem.
By this logic the Mig-21 Bison is just a mig 21 with Indian avionics
Correct. It has a more powerful engine, but it’s also more susceptible to overheating. It also gets a worse radar without IFF, more CMs, and an actual HUD (taken from some American planes like the A-7K).
Too OP, send it to 12.0 +
:P
Except that’s literally what the Bison is. MiG 21Bis with some Indian stuff. Cool, it gets a better missiles, hence why it is 12.3 (which is ridiculous, it should be 12.0, but Gaijin hates Britain, so.) There is a massive difference between R3Rs and R-27s. Same with R-73s and R-60s. More of a difference between those missiles than Magic 1s and whatever Russia gets at the time.
I’ll take a gander at the French tree, but I’m pretty sure the Mirage gets radar missiles and Magic 1s around 10.7, and I’m just trying to justify where things should be by equivalent countries. I don’t see why J-7D should be 11.3 when it’s technologically inferior by then, meanwhile being 10.3-10.7 would keep it on par with the rest of the countries.
That’s my main thing is keeping things around the same technology. Hence why I believe the A-10s should be brought up a full BR because there’s no counter to the AIM 9Ls until you’re around 10.0 and getting countermeasures (albeit very few). I just want it to be around similar stuff
lets see,
just like J-7D has a bunch of differences from the MiG-21F-13
it should be like 11.0
I hope you know that beyond some autists and the American Air Force, no one knows what any of that means besides the extra pounds of bombs. It’s still a F-15.
Also, I’m still calling for 10.7
alr lemme water it down for you, it can detect stuff farther away and faster, it flies better (FBW), it can carry more missiles (just like J-7D and MiG-21F-13), it has better engines (like J-7D and MiG-21F-13), it can blow stuff up on the ground better , it can defend missiles better (like J-7D and MiG-21F-13), and it can take more fuel if necessary, it has better missiles (like J-7D and MiG-21F-13)
I’m calling for 11.0, which is where it should be
See, you didn’t have to copy paste the manual, you can explain stuff better than what the Americans claim they can do. Thank you.
I’m still saying it should be 10.7, especially since it is still technologically inferior to planes of the BR. Saying it should go higher in BR because its faster and has a missile common for French jets at 10.0 is ridiculous. Should all the Mirage IIIs go to 11.0-11.7 because of that too?