Not my experience, the missile is fast enough to get to you before it sees flares sometimes if you do not flare correctly, which is a trait not shared by most other missiles
In almost every single comment you’re ignoring the obvious problem of BR compression. The J-7D is anything but rare in 10.7 lobbies. In almost every game both teams end up having at least 3 of them. Their favorite tactic is to zoom climb to high altitude well before anyone else and engage with PL-7s and PL-5Bs which are hard to react to when they come down on you vertically while still trying to maintain situational awareness of fighters around you. Unless friendly J-7Ds or SARH equipped fighters counter them or the 7Ds give up their altitude advantage to turnfight, the battle is pretty much lost.
Whether they play like rats at low altitude or high altitude bnz, the J-7D has an advantage. It outclasses the F-5C in every way except guns and sustained turn rate while enjoying being at the same BR. Pretty much the same problem as the overtiered A6Ms. And no almost none of the J-7D players turnfight. Meaning that if they just keep bnzing you’re completely at their mercy especially if you’re in an F-5C. In an F-5C you have no advantage from start to finish because you can’t match a 7D’s climb rate or top speed and your only hope is to wait for a mistake while a J-7D has the advantage from takeoff.
I’ve been constantly shot down in my 5C by R60s, AIM-9Js, PLs and the like unless I flare in time. I’ve had the exact same experience in the F8U and F-8E. So your cold engine theory holds no water here. The J-7D needs to go up to at least 11.0 for the time being and possibly 11.3 if gaijin stops counting their money from gullible wallet warriors long enough to decompress jet BRs. I do agree that the F-5C has no business fighting 9.3s but again compression’s the problem, not the fighter itself.
Yes, let’s have a plane with only rear aspects at 11.0-3, that makes perfect sense. I mean, the equivalent to the J-7D is the MiG-21F-13, which only has rear aspects at 9.3, with the MiG-21SMT having R3Rs at 10.3.
Oh, because el generic MiG 21 beat you a few times, that means it needs to be beyond the MiG 21bis: arguably the best MiG 21 variant, besides the Bison in India.
It should be 11.0, but there’s no way it’s equal to the J-7E or J-8B. 11.0 is the best BR for it.
J-7E:
(and don’t forget about the potential more modern J-7 or mig-21 variants they could add)
Isn’t that the F5E.
Only rear-aspects and 11.3.
Well that one is more of a gunfighter that maintains 1000kph at turns.
Yeah I’d prefer the plane at to go back to 11.0 too. As far as I understand it has similar speed to mig 21 mf/smt, but pl5b is absurdly fast. I’ve even managed to approach people from above by a little and “curveball” by aiming it above the enemy and the smaller seeker fov(I’m pretty sure) will literally miss their flares and it’ll still kill them. I usually never ran into issues locking with them in somewhat side aspect either. Having all aspect capability is so overrated, maybe like <5 times in my total time playing this game have I gotten a head on IR kill, and a few were solely cause amx a-1a’s insane g overload.
Don’t get it back to 11.0.
Instead, give it fire bombs so less people use PL-5Bs and the problem won’t be as bad.
No fire bombs so u can butcher stats of another plane.
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It has worse engine than SMT by a big margin. The SMT flies much better as it have stronger engine.
Lmao. You must be kidding
Fire bombs for every interceptor 😄 So you can bomb bases faster. Youre so useful with those planes for your team
Yeah, why not. When everyone has napalm, no one is special.
Lol what? Please show me where the MiG-21F-13 gets access to IR missiles with 35Gs of pull. The MiG-21bis sits at 11.0 btw, is inferior in the one circle to the J-7D and the R-3Rs lose track with a single chaff pull. The J-7D also has the edge in climb and turn rate to the base MiG-21. How did you get so much wrong in one comment? It’s far from being a generic MiG-21
Yeah that’s why I said it needs to go up further to 11.3 only if gaijin bothers to decompresses the BRs.
That’s not what he’s doing and no “we don’t all do it”. Maybe you.
J-7D is extremely common at 10.7 so the notion its rare is dumb.
hardly
How
10.7 is an extremely common air BR, stop talking out your ass
so?
so? shoot it
lol no
flare them
implying you think a10 is superior to j7d
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sim isnt rb
this sucks but it isnt relevant to the current convo where we talk about 10.7
10.7 has very few all aspect missiles
10.7 has very few radar missiles
It’s not, it’s better than other 10.7 fighters
I do these things, I don’t have issues killing the average J-7D player. We are speaking on jets.
Please keep discussions polite and constructive. Personal insults and inflammatory remarks violate forum guidelines. If you have concerns about balance, feel free to share them respectfully. Let’s keep this discussion productive.
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4 Magic-1s and heaps of CMs ARE NOT the same as 2 R3S and no CMs
A better equivalent would be the Mirage 3E at the same BR with only 2 Magic-1s +1 SARH/ Magic 0.5 and only 12 CMs
LOL so you can tank its stats and get it down to 9.7? No thanks.
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Bollocks.
Can’t wait to see J-7D become 10.3
then 21SMT and 21MF goes 10.0
Nice try, dummy.
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I’m talking strictly about the plane. The plane itself is a MiG 21. Sure, it can carry Magic 1s, but at the end of the day, it’s literally just a MiG 21.