I stand by my own experiences with the Pl-5B. Sub 1km shots don’t count because almost any rear aspect missile can do that.
it is called also a slow speed fight
still who turns better has the advantage you cant do that in j7 or you lose so much speed.
Yes it is strong but there are stronger only the missiles are it’s real advantage but that is about it
turn off afterburner pop a single flare and you are all good…
j7d dogfights really well
but it is not the top dog in the air when you compare it to other better planes at dogfighting… all the people here nagg about how good it is while the only thing that is good in it is the missiles lol
as I said, its also a great dogfighter and in general has a great FM for the BR. The engine is stronger than the 21SMT engine which is already very good and the airframe is much lighter
I was testing it on a custom, i didnt had much problems looking in to people from side aspect at 2-1.5km
F-5´s are just something else, i pray for a patch were they fix the engines temperature
Bit of a difference in Customs. Bots are easier to track and eliminate, at least in my experience. Although I do appreciate it because I can find funny ways to eliminate tanks I would normally have trouble fighting.
Bought the J7D end of last year sometime and only flown it at 10.7BR its over performing at its br and should atleast be the same br as the Mig21 BIS.
PL5s are extremely good at this br and would take them over R60Ms any day. Great range and acceleration ontop of the extremely short burn time. Shooting them from high top down shots on unaware opponents almost always guarenteed kill they never see it coming with the missles diamond being gone by the time its in the fov. Sure if they see you its a one flare. Why i normally carry one PL7 for close range shots.
I would put it in the same basket as the Ayit at 9.3 or the F8U2 when it was 10.0 great missles at its tier good standoff range. Mig21 BIS while still good has to get so close that its hard to remain hidden.
Still really good in a dogfight easy to position your self on someones six and stay glued there and get gun kills.
Of all the 10.7 would be by far the best one for killing power. Mirage IIIe being close second but they are rare to see vs the J7D spam.
Lets not forget that 10.3 is where flares start to become standard for most nations. One 10.0 has flares being the Hunter F58 one! Also F104G for China is 10.7 with no flares and Aim9js is somehow equivalent to the J7D!?
Matchmaker is very Favourable for the J7D being between 9.7 and 11.7 premium blackholes chances of uptier and downtier felt about even in my experience
People defending the J7D at its current br is because it is easier to use than other Aircraft around this br. Which i understand this game is hard and people want the meta to have an edge. But it is clearly overperforming at 10.7. Same as the outrage when the Hunter F58 finally went up to 10.0 despite it previously being the same Br as the Hunter F6 for Britain no flares and Sraams. It was too good at 9.7 clear by the spam of them now its more balanced and isnt spammed out to nearly as much.
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Are you serious?
They are constanly uptiered.
Which equates to a pathetic 18 presses of counter measures vs fancy fox 1’s which seem harder to evade than fox 3.
Cool, by that logic, A-10s should be 11.3-11.7 since AIM 9Ls are constantly seen at 9.3-9.7
Cool story needs more dragons.
You already brought this up with AllNationEnjoyer in this thread.
You are either trolling or talking out your ass and have contributed nothing rational to the discussion
Therefor i will Ignore you from now on good day
Shouldn’t be same BR as 21bis.
No napalms (yes I’m using gaijin logic, but it does reduces SL earning which is gaijins metric for balancing)
Moreover, 4x missiles 2x napalms is way better to do at least something…sometimes you may not get a kill, that’s okay just bomb. No base? Just get AI attackera. Rarely you don’t get a base AND kill AND no attacker kill.
The J-7D has to sacrifice all missiles to bomb effectively (somewhat; considering iron bombs give more rewards)
4x missiles v 6x missiles
rear aspect vs all aspect (okay, no one can deny pl 5b are better than r60m in lock situation…the issue is getting a lock at all)
r60ms are just way more flexible, against AI targets, side attacks etc.
Bis airframe and engine are way better than J7D. Bis is way better at dogfighting and way more AB thrust
I played the bis and j7d for a fairly long time, and I can tell you the j7d is a bus compared to bis. There’s not much a j7d can do once a bis focused on them. Run away? Can’t. Dogfight? Ahaha that’s like Zero vs P-47, but without the speed
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I don’t even know who you are
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Ok but all you do on those two jet are base bombing. Also it is funny people who try to defend the J-7D at 10.7 with the weakest reason ever , can’t believe the Bis is being brought in as if the thing is broken at 11.0 when arguably it is on par with the J-7D and the F-5C which are under it 0.3 br. And can you please stop bringing the strike aircraft in especially the subsonic one
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yall should stop fighting and bite OP ass. he’s an F-5C spammer.
will you stop using Gaijin’s bullshit logic for defend your own plane?
You are bringing the worst claim for defence J-7D.
As a joke, in Gaijin’s ridiculous logic
Tornado ADV should be a reserve plane as long as it can’t bomb.
J-7D is a ‘slightly’ undertiered plane, but it just can’t go up thanks to bullshitness compression thanks to higher ranks.
J-7D shouldn’t clap jets in 9.7 with that ridiculous PL-5B.
Even if we think about Mirage IIIE with 2x Magic 1 (original PL-8), it is ridiculous that we keeps J-7D on 10.7
“But J-7D flies like a brick!”
sounds like
“But F-5C has shitty AIM-9E!!!”
“But J-7D can’t bomb because it has no napalm!”
also sounds like
“F-5C can’t bomb because it is too slow!”
Both of those shouldn’t stay 10.7br if we only see downtier.
But we just can’t send those things up directly if we see an uptier.
Thanks to Gaijin, who always keeps compression as hell.
Seeing F-4S with J-7D will be same ridiculous level as seeing J-7D with Jaguar GR.1. :/
Gaijin will never gonna fix these things unless the stats of J-7D goes sky-high
because selling premium jets are juicy profits.
And it will not gonna happen, thanks to the J-7D bomber with no missiles like @TIGER_TANK_1 exists and decreasing average reward netting at best.
(As long as J-7D’s 1.5t payload isn’t enough to kill a single base, and it need to sacrifice all 4 pylons, there is no way that J-7D gets enough stats for getting nerf)
If Gaijin keeps ridiculous ‘average reward netting’ for balancing, I think further buff on either J-7D/F-5C down to 10.3 might have a higher chance than going up to 11.0. :|
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What does any of this have to do with glitched engine temps that havent been fixed for 3 years? even so, F-5 does not struggle at avoiding radar missiles
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We also need to say that no F-5 faces Fox-3 (ARH) missiles in ARB unless we include F-20 as super F-5. XD