So it’s still just a F-15? Cool, I guess. Sorry I’m not some nerd that goes “actually it’s a completely different thing because (extremely niche thing that no normal person can spot)”
I went on the Wiki, it’s a MiG 21MF with some Chinese avionics. That’s it. It’s a MiG 21.
Different engines I think, but basically it is.
“Noooooooooo, it’s completely different! Like the normal one only has like a red star, but the Chinese one has a yellow symbol and a band behind the star! It’s totally different brooooooo!”
Really?
Because that really sounds like you are saying that it can’t go up because its missiles are not good enough because they are rear aspect, so they are no better than R3S
More powerful engine, more missiles, better missiles and 74 CM. And it’s the missiles that are the problem.
By this logic the Mig-21 Bison is just a mig 21 with Indian avionics
Correct. It has a more powerful engine, but it’s also more susceptible to overheating. It also gets a worse radar without IFF, more CMs, and an actual HUD (taken from some American planes like the A-7K).
Too OP, send it to 12.0 +
:P
Except that’s literally what the Bison is. MiG 21Bis with some Indian stuff. Cool, it gets a better missiles, hence why it is 12.3 (which is ridiculous, it should be 12.0, but Gaijin hates Britain, so.) There is a massive difference between R3Rs and R-27s. Same with R-73s and R-60s. More of a difference between those missiles than Magic 1s and whatever Russia gets at the time.
I’ll take a gander at the French tree, but I’m pretty sure the Mirage gets radar missiles and Magic 1s around 10.7, and I’m just trying to justify where things should be by equivalent countries. I don’t see why J-7D should be 11.3 when it’s technologically inferior by then, meanwhile being 10.3-10.7 would keep it on par with the rest of the countries.
That’s my main thing is keeping things around the same technology. Hence why I believe the A-10s should be brought up a full BR because there’s no counter to the AIM 9Ls until you’re around 10.0 and getting countermeasures (albeit very few). I just want it to be around similar stuff
lets see,
just like J-7D has a bunch of differences from the MiG-21F-13
it should be like 11.0
I hope you know that beyond some autists and the American Air Force, no one knows what any of that means besides the extra pounds of bombs. It’s still a F-15.
Also, I’m still calling for 10.7
alr lemme water it down for you, it can detect stuff farther away and faster, it flies better (FBW), it can carry more missiles (just like J-7D and MiG-21F-13), it has better engines (like J-7D and MiG-21F-13), it can blow stuff up on the ground better , it can defend missiles better (like J-7D and MiG-21F-13), and it can take more fuel if necessary, it has better missiles (like J-7D and MiG-21F-13)
I’m calling for 11.0, which is where it should be
See, you didn’t have to copy paste the manual, you can explain stuff better than what the Americans claim they can do. Thank you.
I’m still saying it should be 10.7, especially since it is still technologically inferior to planes of the BR. Saying it should go higher in BR because its faster and has a missile common for French jets at 10.0 is ridiculous. Should all the Mirage IIIs go to 11.0-11.7 because of that too?
It was suffering at 11.0,was the reason i stopped playing it. Now its playable again. SMT with much stronger engine is 10.3,over SMT the 7D have just better missiles. After the FM nerf neither of them can really turnfight.
I am less concerned with whether or not it needs to go back up in BR, I’m inclined to think it’s the usual compression issues and new players tanking its stats while they learn the game. Rather I just think your assertion that increasing missiles from 2 to 4, increasing their overload from 10 to 35G, un-caging the seeker allowing radar slaving, increasing speed from 1.7 to 3 MACH, adding a more powerful engine and the addition of 72 countermeasures is not a significant upgrade over the Mig21F13 is frankly a bit ridiculous.
10.0 for the 1st one, they only get 2 Magics and 1 radar/ less effective IR and no CM though.
I think the main reason for the J-7D gets hate is because its premium so it gets spammed a lot more than other aircraft with the high G missiles at that BR range so it stands out more.
MiG-21SMT is more fatter and has worse flight models.
Reminder Russian model need to carry CM pods, which makes it more fatter.
That is understandable, and as you said, it’s a premium, it’s going to be spammed more than the actual tech tree variant. At that point, I was more inclined to irritate him because I was figuring he was some whiner that died to it once and went on the forums to cry about it. So I was more willing to screw with him by using the lowest BR MiG 21 to tease him.
As I said though, it definitely doesn’t need to move up. That’s more of a punishment than an actual fix. Very similar to when they moved the Kfir Canard and the J35X up to 11.3 for no reason, and it took them half a year to put it back down to 10.3/10.7 area. Sure, I’m sure it’s a decent plane, but I still regard it as a jet that will do terribly at 11.0 (especially since it will constantly face the F4S because what’s a downtier) and China will continue to be a nation no one plays because premiums are the best way to grind.
Aside from the J-7D, the 10.7 BR aircraft (excluding attackers) include the F-8E (USN), F-5A/C, F-4F Early, and Mirage IIIE. all of which suffer from significant drawbacks, such as poor flight models, aren’t that fast, a lack of countermeasures, or unreliable missiles etc.
At 11.0, we’ve got the F-5E, F-104G, F-4EJ, F-4F, MiG-23M/MF, and F-5A(G). I don’t see how the J-7D doesn’t belong at the same BR with them. Only issue is MiG-21bis, which is just undertiered.
You would always use the PL-5Bs but yes
The 3E is a lot worse than the J-7D
Mirage 3E has like 45 CMs…?
Do you think every MiG-21 flies even close to one another in FM? Because they don’t. The F-13 is about half the jet the J-7D is even if both don’t have missiles equipped or CMs.
9Ls don’t start on fighters until 12.0. 12.0. 12.0. 12.0. See that number?
You want R-73s at 12.0. Get a clue :)
Guess what, MiG-21MF and MiG-21SMT both belong at 10.7 as well, making the J-7D a 11.0.