- Yes, as in a V4 tech tree.
- Yes, as a reverse israel style tech tree.
- Yes, as a sub-tree in Italy.
- Yes, as an independent tech-tree.
- Yes! I dont care about what form it would come.
- No! There are better options.
- No! I dont want it.
Description!
Hello there, I have been working on this for a while, finally I put it together and can post it. This is about Hungarian tanks, and vehicles. This post will have vehicles from the first world war, second world war, cold war and finally the modern day and age. I will arrange to ranks and vehicle names so it will be easier to navigate.
I did not put the vehicles history in because the post is already really long and some vehicles history is not known because it was destroyed or only a handful people know that I am not in contact with.
Hungary has only a few vehicles in game, this is to show that there are more vehicles that could be in game. Addition of these vehicles would greatly improve the representation of Hungary, and could help rarely known vehicles be known to the public. There are dosens of great vehicles and unique ones that could be in game like the Buzogányvető vehicles, which had the worlds first Heavy anti-tank rockets attached to them.
Even in the cold war there were some designs and vehicles, even though Hungary in the cold war was not really strong in the military industry. And after the cold war there were modernisation of vehicles and ERA development.
This is for the visualisation of the quantity what hungary has to offer to War Thunder.The tech tree mockup is for the visualisation of how Hungary could work in game and the amount of vehicles its got to offer.
My idea of hungary
I think a V4 tech tree would be great for hungary and for the other countries, it would solve the problem where those 4 countries would go, it would have a lot of vehicles to play and would the same size as a major nation. (This is just my opinion, its on Gaijin where will Hungary be put!)
Potential future Hungarian vehicles that can be added
Well, some of you may know that Hungary is modernising its army right now.
Its called Zrínyi 2026, but some people call it Zrínyi 2030 because of amount of military procurement thats been happening.
Now the future vehicles can be the Hitron IFV, which will be made in Kaposvar. It is an 8x8 or 6x6 hybrid driven IFV. Only a mockup was shown at the Eurosatory 2022. Where only high ranking personal could view it. It is said that Hungarian and german engineers are developing it together. Here is the Hitron.
There will be more KF-41 versions like SPAA and mortar version.
There is potential for ATGM carrying Gidrán vehicles.
And lastly, possible Hungarian modernisation program or programs for vehicles.
The tech tree:
The Vehicles:
Rank I
38.M Toldi I (A.20):
38.M Toldi I (A.20):
Designed 1936-38
Manufacturer MÁVAG, Ganz Works
Produced 1939–1942
Mass: Toldi I: 8.5 t
Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)
Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)
Crew: 3
Armor Toldi I: 6-13 mm
Main armament: 20 mm 36M Solothurn AT gun (loaded in magazines, 4 piece in one magazine, the shell had 1,4 g of explosives (TNT or PETN and later 50/50 pentolite) and could penetrate 24mm of armour at 60 degrees from 100 meters.
Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun
Engine: Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres 155 hp
Power/weight: 19 hp/t
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road
rate of fire: 22-26 rpm
Sources: 38M Toldi - Wikipedia
38M Toldi I – Wikipédia
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
38M - Elfnet.hu
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/07/part-iii-hungarian-shell-types-and-armor-plates
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns
42.M Toldi II (B.20)
Almost same as the Toldi but its got some differences.
First of all, it gets an antenna that you can see in the pictures. Some visual differences on the turret and it’s got a stronger suspension, so it would not wobble that much. The machinegun is belt fed, 100 rounds instead of 25 like on the A.20.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
42.M Toldi IIA (B.40)
armor:
Mass: 9.3 t
Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)
Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)
Crew: 3
Armor: 6 – 35mm
Main armament: 37/42.M 40 mm L/43
Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun
Engine Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres: 155 hp
Power/weight: 19 hp/t
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road
ammunition: 55 pieces
rate of fire: 16 rpm
penetration: 36.M páncélgránát (APHEBC-T) 60 degrees, 100m, 46mm can be penetrated, later they were issued with the 43.M magvas páncélgránátot (APBC-T), which the Nimród SPAA used. The Toldi IIA could fire it as well and had more penetration.
sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns
Toldi II könnyű harckocsi - A II. világháború fegyverei, járművei
I know this tank is in game already but I wanted to include it.
Toldi IIAK
Mass: 9.85 t
Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
Width: 2.21 m with the skirts
Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)
Crew: 3
Armor: 6 – 35mm
Main armament: 37/42.M 40 mm L/43
Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun
Engine Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres: 155 hp
Power/weight: 16 hp/t
Maximum speed: 43 km/h (31 mph) on road
ammunition: 55 pieces
rate of fire: 16 rpm
A Toldi IIA fitted with side skirts against AT rifles. the skirts had complicated forms. 18 pieces of metal was fitted onto the tank, 9-9 per side. the skirts were 70mm away from the tank and were reinforced with metal rods. The skirts had a thickness of 5-8 mm.
Sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
39.M Csaba
39.M Csaba: Service history
In service: 1939 - 1945
Designer: Nicholas Straussler
Designed: 1930s
Manufacturer: Weiss Manfred, Csepel
Produced: 1939 - 1944
No. built: 102-137
Specifications
Mass: 5.95 tonnes
Length: 14 ft 8 in (4.52 m)
Width: 6 ft 10 in (2.1 m)
Height: 7 ft 4 in (2.27 m)
Crew: 3
Armour: 9 mm
Main armament: 1 × 20 mm Solothurn 36M anti-tank cannon
Secondary armament: 1 × 8 mm Gebauer 1934/37M coaxial machine gun
1 × 8 mm detachable Solothurn light machine gun
Engine: Ford, 8-cylinder 90 hp
Operational range: 93 mi (150 km)
Maximum speed: 65-85 km/h (40-53 mph)
(note the back machinegun)
In 1932, the first post-World War II Hungarian armored car (designed by Miklós Straussler), the AC1, was completed (the man is known in the UK as Nicholas Straussler, he later designed the floating tanks for the Allies, e.g. the Valentine DD or the Sherman DD).
The Hungarian Weiss Manfréd factory, which built the combat vehicle, could not put armor on the AC1 (because that would have violated the Versailles peace treaty), but they also got around this. The prototype was shipped to the UK where Alvis Car and Engineering Company Ltd fitted the armor plating onto the vehicle.
After Hitler came to power in 1933, events accelerated: in 1935, the improved AC2 appeared, followed by the AC3 (this was necessary, as the original design was good already, but at the same time impractical and only carried a single machine gun).
The Weiss Manfréd factory soon stopped producing frames, but the newly formed Alvis-Straussler joint venture continued the production of AC-3s. The Weiss Manfréd Acél- és Fémművek had orders regarding the vehicle: in Hungary, they started to produce an improved version of the AC2, under the name 39.M. The nickname Csaba was used for the armored car (after the son of the Hun Atilla).
sources: 39M - Elfnet.hu
AC II Páncélgépkocsi
Its got some differences than the Csaba vehicle, it has the same engine but the rear is completely different.
length: 4520mm
width: 2100mm
weight: 5,8 t
engine: 100hp
gear: 5 forward and 5 reverse gears
top speed: 90km/h forward and reverse
armor: 9mm
Crew: 4
Source: Járműgyártás a csepeli Weiss Manfréd gyárban · KozlekedesiMuzeum
sources: 39M - Elfnet.hu
40.M Turán
40.M Turán I:
In service: 1942-1945
User: Kingdom of Hungary
Wars: World War II
Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Produced: 1940-1943
Quantity produced: 289
Weight: 18.2 tons (18.7 tons with skirts)
Length: 5530 mm
Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)
Height: 2355 mm
Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)
Armor: 13-50 mm
Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun
Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm
Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns
Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)
Specific power: 14.3 HP/t (with skirts 13.9 HP/t)
Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse
Suspension: leaf spring
Ground clearance: 380 mm
Fuel volume: 265 l
Range: 165 km
Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)
Sources: 40M - Elfnet.hu
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
40.M Turán I Late
40.M Turán I Late:
In service: 1942-1945
User: Kingdom of Hungary
Wars: World War II
Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Produced: 1940-1943
Quantity produced: 289
Weight: 18.2 tons (18.7 tons with skirts)
Length: 5530 mm
Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)
Height: 2355 mm
Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)
Armor: 13-50 mm
Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun
Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm
Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns
Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)
Specific power: 14.3 HP/t (with skirts 13.9 HP/t)
Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse
Suspension: leaf spring
Ground clearance: 380 mm
Fuel volume: 265 l
Range: 165 km
Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)
Sources: 40M - Elfnet.hu
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11707/1/Haditechnika_1986.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf
The difference between the late Turán and the earlier one is that this could get the APBC-T shell which was used by the Nimróds, late in the war (this shell has higher penetration). This could also have side skirts which would boost its protection against HEAT rounds.
40.M Turán I M
40.M Turán I M
Interesting thing about this Turán that it has 60mm of armor and not the usual 50mm. Because these were the early Turáns it does not get the better AP shell from the Nimród and it does not get side skirts.
The 60mm armor is built up by a 35 and a 25mm armor plate.
Here on the picture you can see the two plates.
Thanks for Miltaccfd, for sharing the picture and the source :)
Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Weight: around 18-19 t
Length: 5530 mm
Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)
Height: 2355 mm
Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)
Armor: 13-60 mm
Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun
Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm
Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns
Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)
Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse
Suspension: leaf spring
Ground clearance: 380 mm
Fuel volume: 265 l
Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)
Source:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677523784324087828/945225356883931156/unknown.png
Bombay, Gyarmati, Turcsányi: Harckocsik 1916-tól napjainkig, page 100, ISBN: 9633273323
Again thanks to Miltaccfd!
V-4 first version
We can see the backside of the V-4, and one part of the transmission where we can equip a propeller.
Length: (with propeller) 5000mm
Full width: 2200mm
Width with pontoons: around 5000mm
Height (with turret): 2700mm
Weight: 10 t
top speed: 60-45 km/h (on wheels), 40-32 km/h (on tracks), 8 km/h (on water)
armor: 10 – 26mm
Weapons: primary: 37.M 40mm cannon, secondary: one twin 37/37M 8mm gebauer machinegun in the hull
Gears: 5 forward and 5 reverse gears
Engine: Manfréd Weiss 8-cylinder 180hp
Crew: 3 – cammander/gunner, machine gunner, driver
features: can be equipped with pontoons for extra armour against heat or to be amphibious.
Sources: Straussler V-4 - Wikipedia
Járműgyártás a csepeli Weiss Manfréd gyárban · KozlekedesiMuzeum
V-4 second version
V-4 second version:
Length: (with propeller) 5000mm
Full width: 2200mm
Width with pontoons: around 5000mm
Height (with turret): 2700mm
Weight: 12 t
top speed: 60-45 km/h (on wheels), 40-32 km/h (on tracks), 8 km/h (on water)
armor: 10 – 26mm
Weapons: primary: 37.M 40mm cannon, secondary: two twin 37/37M 8mm gebauer machinegun in the hull
Gears: 5 forward and 5 reverse gears
Engine: Manfréd Weiss 8-cylinder 180 hp
Crew: 4 – gunner, commander, machine gunner, driver
features: can be equipped with pontoons for extra armour against heat or to be amphibious.
Sources: Straussler V-4 - Wikipedia
Járműgyártás a csepeli Weiss Manfréd gyárban · KozlekedesiMuzeum
http://hadmernok.hu/182_05_nemeth.pdf
This is the V-3 but the pontoons are compatible with the V-4 tanks.
42.M Toldi IIA (B.40) Prototype
Mass: 9.2 t
Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)
Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)
Crew: 3
Armor: 6 – 13 mm
Main armament: 37/42.M 40 mm L/43
Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun
Engine Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres: 155 hp
Power/weight: 19 hp/t
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road
ammunition: 55 pieces
Similar to the B.40 but had differences that could impact the game. First of all, it does not have a box on the back of the turret which will result the tank to wobble a lot more, which is not good. It does not have thicker armor and it gets the same gun as the V-4 tank, the 40mm 37.M cannon. Which has lower penetration values because it has a lower muzzle velocity.
sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns
Toldi II könnyű harckocsi - A II. világháború fegyverei, járművei
Rába botond Schwarzlose
Designed: 1938
Manufacturer: MWG
Produced: 1938–1948
Mass: 3950 kg
Length: 5,700 mm
Width: 2,080 mm
Height: 2,550 mm
Crew: minimum 2 but should be more because its easy to kill
Engine: 4 cylinder petrol of 4,330 cm3 70 hp
Maximum speed: 60 km/h
Weapon: Schwarzlose machinegun
rate of fire: 600-880 round per minute
Sources: 38M Botond - Wikipedia
IMCDb.org: 1938 Rába Botond 38M in "Mesélő cégtáblák: Az Ikarus, 1998"
Opel blitz gebauer
Opel blitz gebauer:
During the development of the gebauer motor driven wing machineguns, a thought came that it could be used as an anti-aircraft weapon. A development was carried out during 1940-1942. The AA machine gun was modified throught the development and these modifications increased the machine guns weight to 18,2 kg. An AA mount - which weighted 197,4 kg was developed but had some issues. Like for example the MGs fire rate was too high, around 1800-2000 rounds per minute. In the end the development stopped.
Dimensions : 5.95-6.02 x 2.26-2.34 x 2,17-3,18 m (19.8 ft x 7.4 ft x 9 ft)
Total weight: 2,100-3,350 Tonnes max. (4,630 Ibs)
Payload : 2.3 to 3.5 tons ()
Crew : 1 driver
Propulsion : Opel 4 cylinders, 3626 cc, 68- hp at 3800 rpm, or 6-cyl 74 hp
Speed : 80 km/h (50 mph)
Range (road/off road) : 300 to 400 km (255 miles)
Weapon: Gebauer 8mm motor driven machiegun
Fire rate: 1800-2000/minute
Source: https://live.warthunder.com/post/734487/en/ https://truck-encyclopedia.com/ww2/germany/Opel-Blitz.php
Krupp protze 20mm
Krupp Protze 20mm:
Mass: 2,600 kg (5,700 lb) / more with the Buzogányvető
Length: 5.10 m (16 ft 9 in)
Width: 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)
Height: 1.96 m (6 ft 5 in)
Armor: None
Engine: Krupp Boxer motor, 3.3 liters or 60 hp
Same gun as on the flakpanzer
Source:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_Protze
Maximum speed: 70 km/h (43 mph)
Csepel 130 DSHK
Csepel 130 DSHK:
Mass: 3500 kg without the DSHK
Length: 4840mm
Width: 2150mm
Height: 2070 mm
engine: 85 hp
Weapon: DSHK 12.7mm
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK
https://www.autoszektor.hu/hu/content/magyar-konnyulovassag-csepeli-geppel-hadiipar-7
Rába V. R. tehergépkocsi with 5/8M 8 cm AA gun
Rába V. R. tehergépkocsi with 5/8M 8 cm AA gun:
The truck is a licence made Czech Praga truck, Hungary started making them from 1913.
weapon is the 5/8M 8 cm AA gun. It’s got some APHE ammunition too. It has low pen so it could fit nicely in lower br-s.
sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rába_Járműipari_Holding
https://totalcar.hu/magazin/szerelem/2021/10/24/volt-egyszer-egy-raba-magyar-waggon--es-gepgyar/
https://www.facebook.com/133103693526711/photos/rába-vr-lövegkocsi-rába-v-alvázon-páncélozott-motorburkolattal-58-as-légvédelmi-/140006156169798/?paipv=0&eav=AfajGaqcYTgJGT_dsKp6LkrjXMIW7SfikSPaK03b2HtWv23VlxhnkyJZ-EJsoLXSOYs&_rdr
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11365/1/HT_2016-1_internet.pdf
44.M Toldi I egészségügyi
In 1944, some Toldi tanks were converted into a medical vehicle, however, the only serious thing the conversion changed was the widening of the right-side turret hatch and the reduction of the amount of ammunition carried in the vehicle. In March 1944, 9 Toldi tanks wer converted in the Ganz factory, the converted medical tanks were handed over to the military during the summer.
It is almost the same as the Toldi I (A.20), only the right side turret hatch was changed and it carries less ammo. All other things are the same. Also it would have the red cross.
Could have a special mechanic where you could heal other team members crews, or give one crew personal to a team member.
Sources
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http://real-j.mtak.hu/11712/1/Haditechnika_1991.pdf at page 231
38.M Toldi I A.20 (Tetőgéppuskával)
same as the A.20 but with a machinegun which can be used against air targets, the vehicle can be a low tier premium.
40.M Turán Prototype
Almost same as the 40.M Turán I, it has a different drivers port which could make the weakspot smaller or outright deleted and give armor to the sorrounding area.
Sources
(http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf) at page 66
40.M Turán I H-834
This is a turán I with experimental skirts attached to it, it would weight more than the skirt found on the late one. Nothing too fancy, it could be a good rank I premium.
Source: http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at pages 67, 129 and 302
Rank II
Toldi III (C.40)
Toldi III (C.40):
Type: light tank
Origin: Kingdom of Hungary
Designer: Ganz
Planned: 1941-1943
Manufacturer: Ganz
Manufactured: 1943
Quantity produced: 1
Weight: 9.2 tons (9.45 tons with crew)
Length: 4750 mm
Width: 2140 mm
Height: 2070 mm
Crew: 3 people (commander, gunner, driver)
Armor: 6-35 mm
Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 42.M L/43 tank gun (same as on the Toldi IIA)
Secondary armament: 1 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine gun
Engine: 8-cylinder Ganz VIII. VGT. 107 (155 hp, 115 kW)
Specific power: 16.4 HP/t
Gearbox: 5 forward and 1 reverse
Suspension: torsion spring
Free ground clearance: 350 mm
Speed: On the road: 45 km/h
Sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
https://warriors.fandom.com/ru/wiki/43M_Toldi_III
https://2vilaghaborufegyverei.blog.hu/2018/06/12/toldi_iii_konnyu_harckocsi
The big difference between this tank and the Toldi IIA is that the Toldi IIA has larger turning radius. The Toldi III has turning radius of 2 meters while other Toldis have 4.5 meters. But still has some differences, like a bigger turret.
FÚG-70
These were pre-series prototypes of the PSZH APC, they had a 20mm autocannon from the IL-10 planes. There were only 7 built.
Armor: welded steel: 14 mm maximum (D-944 PSZH), sides 7 mm
Main armament: 20mm from an IL-10 (1946), B-20E autocannon
Secondary armament: 7.62 mm PKT coaxial general purpose machine gun (2000 rounds)
Engine Csepel D414.44 in-line 4-cylinder OHV 5.5 liter diesel 100 hp (75 kW)
Power/weight: D-944 PSZH: 13.5 hp/tonne (10 kW/tonne)
Suspension: Wheeled 4x4
Operational range: D-944 PSZH: 500 km (310 mi)
Maximum speed: 81 km/h (50 mph) (road) (D-944 PSZzH), 45 km/h (cross country), 9 km/h (water)
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-442_FUG
https://elfnet.hu/haditechnika/pancelautok/d442.php
https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Hungary/D-442-FUG.php
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH
These infos are from the PSZH and maybe some of them will be wrong. I put it in because its very similar to the PSZH, it was literally the pre-series of the PSZH. It needs some research.
I put this in because of the hull, the Turret is different and it has 14.5mm rather than the 20mm.
See the sketch, there you can see the different turret.
PSZH-M
PSZH-M:
Country of origin Hungary
Crew: 3 men
Personnel: 6 men
Dimensions and weight
Weight: 7.6 t
Length: 5.69 m
Width: 2.5 m
Height: 2.3 m
Armament
Machine guns: 1 x 14.5 mm, 1 x 7.62 mm
Ammunition load
Machine gun munition: 500 x 14.5 mm, 2 000 x 7.62 mm
Mobility
Engine: Csepel D.414.44/2 diesel (82 kW)
Engine power: 110 hp
Maximum road speed: 81 km/h
Amphibious speed on water: 9 km/h
Range: 500 km
Maneuverability
Gradient: 60%
Side slope: 30%
Vertical step: 0.4 m
Trench: 0.6 m
Fording: Amphibious
Features: Can swim in water and it has infrared lights. Can use nightvision.
PSZH prototípus
Same hull and specifications as the FÚG-70 but with a different turret and with a 14.5mm heavy machinegun and a 7.62 mm machinegun.
Source: Pintér művek
41.M Turán II
41.M Turán II:
Almost same as in game. The difference is it has added track armor on the very angled part of the frontal hull and it does not get skirts.
Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/41M_Turán
40M - Elfnet.hu
41.M Turán II Late
Same as in game what we have.
41.M Turán II Track armor
41.M Turán II Track armor:
Difference in armor, can have up to 60-70mm because of the tracks, its got skirts as well on the sides.
Large amount of weight increase which means slower acceleration and top speed.
Vetőcsöves Turán
A really rare and interesting vehicle, not much is known about it. It was photographed in 1944 in front of the HTI building. It is said that the boxes on the vehicle had rockets that could be fired. It is not far fetched as we can see that they put rockets on the Zrínyi I and a Toldi.
The launchers can be elevated to around 60 degrees. and they had the dimension of 1100-1200x250-300x250-300 mm, now there are two possibilities. One could be the Buzogányvető rockets and the other one could be the Lidérc rockets. But the Buzogányvető seems more plausible because it was mounted on other vehicles and had more manufactured than the Lidérc rocket.
I wrote down the Buzogányvető rockets on other vehicles so I wont repeat it here but I will tell what the Lidérc rocket was.
The Lidérc
An experimental air to air missile, the project sadly was never fully finished because of the war and time running out. It would be launched from planes to destroy bombers and bomber formations. But that would never be accomplished
Specifications:
diameter: 300mm
Total weight: 141,3 kg
Length: 1432 mm
Explosive: 10,92 kg of TNT or TNT/NPT
At 45-50 degree angle it could make 5-8 km distance
Destroying radius: aorund 60-70 m on the sides and 5-8 m on forward and back
Both rockets can be deadly, the problem is with the lidérc’s speed, it would launch the rocket far away, while the Buzogányvető has a 56 m/s speed and could be fired into the capture zones and elsewhere
It would be cool to see it in game, it would have the function of an artillery, same as the Matilda hedgehog.
Sources
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at page 129
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11730/1/Haditechnika_2009.pdf at page 126
Botond B tehergépkocsi 15 cm Nebelwerfer
Similar to the 15 cm Pz.W.42 but it is less armored and its probably faster.
Mass: 3950 kg
Length: 5,700 mm
Width: 2,080 mm
Height: 2,550 mm
Crew: 2-3
Engine: 4 cylinder petrol of 4,330 cm3 70 hp
Maximum speed: 60 km/h
Weapon: 15 cm nebelwerfer rockets
Sources: 38M Botond - Wikipedia
Straussler Monitor
I don’t know if Hungary should get it. A Hungarian made this in his own workshop in Britain. You may know Straussler because he made the DD Sherman and etc. So I don’t know who should get it, its an interesting vehicle in my opinion. Now I am not saying Hungary needs it but it would be cool to have it, a lot of people know straussler in Hungary and really like its wacky and complex way of designing vehicles.
Weapon is a 17 pounder. The vehicle is probably slow but has a great gun and it could have a mechanic where it can turn the wheels and could rotate in one spot.
Sources: https://twitter.com/Ninja998998/status/1201435267728494592/photo/1
Csepel D-350 180mm
Csepel D-350 180mm:
So maybe some of you saw PikkPikers Hungarian tech tree where he said it was a BM-14 launcher on the vehicle, well after I did research I found out that these are 180mm Hungarian made and designated rockets. So its not Russian nor German, just Hungarian. Now the problem is that we don’t know how much TNT was in the rockets, needs a little bit more research.
Engine: Csepel D 413, Diesel, 5.3 dm³, 63 kW
Transmission: five-speed manual gearbox
Propulsion: air-filled tyres
Wheelbase: 3,710 mm (146.1 in)
Length: 6,735 mm (265.2 in)
Width: 2,260 mm (89.0 in)
Height: 2,740 mm (107.9 in)
Kerb weight: 3,200 kg (7,055 lb)
Weapon: 180mm rocket launcher
Csepel D-344 (zpu-2) 14,5mm SPAA
Csepel truck with two 14,5mm heavy machineguns, could be a nice AA truck.
Engine: Csepel D-414H (Diesel, 5.5 dm3, 70 kW)
Transmission: Manual five-speed gearbox
Propulsion: Tyres
Wheelbase: 3750 mm
Length: 6716 mm
Width: 2498 mm
Height: 2775 mm
Kerb weight: 5700 kg
Weapon: 2x KVPT machineguns
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csepel_D-344 and Makettinfo
PSZH prototípus 23mm
PSZH prototype with the 23mm autocannons from the Mig-15.
High rate of fire but only 32mm of penetration. Could be a good AA vehicle because of the caliber and the high fire rate, other than that I don’t see any better use for it. Still a very cool vehicle.
Still needs research. Same specs as the FÚG-70.
Sources for mentioning the vehicle: https://www.makettinfo.hu/forum/forszoveg.php?forumID=582&first=4000#_
Nimród SPAA
Nimród SPAA:
Mass: 10.5 tonnes
Length: 5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)
Width: 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in)
Height: 2.8 m (9 ft 2 in)
Crew: 6
Armor: 6–13 mm on the hull, 10 mm on the turret
Main armament: 40 mm 36.M, has AP which penetrates 61 mm at 100m 90 degrees.
Can get AP, armored core shells, HE and APHE
Engine: Büssing NAG type L8 V/36 T
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)
elevation/depression: 90 degrees, -5 degrees
rate of fire: 120 rpm
ammo: 160 piece
Sources: https://live.warthunder.com/post/768658/en/
43.M Toldi Páncélvadász
Dimensions: L-W-H 4.75 m x 2.14 mx 2.2 m
Total weight: 10.5 t
Crew: probably 3 gunner, driver, loader
Propulsion: Büssing-NAG Type L8V/36TR, water cooled 8 cylinder petrol, 155 hp (116 kW), 14.8 hp/t
Suspension: Torsion bars
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)
Armament: 7.5 cm (2.95 in) Pak 40/2 L/46 – 21 rounds, 8 mm (0.31 in) 31M. Solothurn light machine gun
Armor: 6 mm to 13 mm (0.24-0.51 in)
Production: One converted from a 38M. Toldi I light tank
Sources: 42M Toldi II – Wikipédia
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/hungary/toldi-pancelvadasz
https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/06/08/toldi-pancelvadasz-the-hungarian-marder/
Zrínyi II
Zrínyi II:
Type: Assault gun
Place of origin: Kingdom of Hungary
In service: 1943-1945
Used by: Kingdom of Hungary
Wars: World War II
Designer: Manfréd Weiss
Designed: 1942-1943
Manufacturer: Manfréd Weiss, Ganz
Mass: 21.5 t
Length: 5.90 m (19 ft 4 in)
Width: 2.99 m (9 ft 10 in)
Height: 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in)
Crew: 4
Armour: 13–75 mm (0.51–2.95 in)
Main armament: 40/43M 105 mm MÁVAG howitzer 52 rounds but it can carry 90-95 rounds as well if it was needed
Engine: Manfréd Weiss Z-V8H-4 8 cylinder 260 hp
Power/weight: 12 hp/t
Maximum speed: 43 km/h (27 mph)
Fire rate: 6 round per minute
It had HEAT which could penetrate 80mm of armor at 600. It has smoke and HE rounds as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43M_Zrínyi
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrínyi_(önjáró_löveg)
https://warthunder.hu/2018/04/24/jarmubemutato-40-43-m-zrinyi-rohamtarack/
Zrínyi II Late
Zrínyi II Late:
Late modification of the Zrínyi II with added tracks and skirts for improved protection. Which increased weight and width.
Type: Assault gun
Place of origin: Kingdom of Hungary
In service: 1943-1945
Used by: Kingdom of Hungary
Wars: World War II
Designer: Manfréd Weiss
Designed: 1942-1943
Manufacturer: Manfréd Weiss, Ganz
Mass: around 23 t (there is no information about weight with the tracks and skirs on)
Length: 5.90 m (19 ft 4 in)
Width: 2.99 m (9 ft 10 in)
Height: 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in)
Crew: 4
Armour: 13–75 mm (0.51–2.95 in)
Main armament: 40/43M 105 mm MÁVAG howitzer 52 rounds but it can carry 90-95 rounds as well if it was needed
Engine: Manfréd Weiss Z-V8H-4 8 cylinder 260 hp
Power/weight: around 11 hp/t
Maximum speed: 41 km/h (27 mph)
Fire rate: 6 round per minute
It had HEAT which could penetrate 80mm of armor at 600. It has smoke and HE rounds as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43M_Zrínyi
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrínyi_(önjáró_löveg)
https://warthunder.hu/2018/04/24/jarmubemutato-40-43-m-zrinyi-rohamtarack/
We can see that Hungarians added track not only frontally but both the sides as well. Frontally it increased armor from 75mm to around 90mm or even more.
Zrínyi II 100mm or Zrínyi H-801
Zrínyi II 100mm:
So this vehicle is one of the most interesting to me because you may seen this pictures of the Zrínyi II but somethings are off, and its not like the others. These Zrínyi IIs were pre production vehicles.
Its different than the rest, the depth from the mantlet to the frontal plate is less than on the normal Zrínyi IIs, the bolts are different as well and the lower front plate does not have any bolts.
My guess is that there is another 25mm plate added to the frontal structure making it 100mm thick. The lower front plate is probably a 75mm plate and not a 50mm+25mm like on the other Zrínyi IIs.
Finding more pictures about it and comparing it to other Zrínyi IIs from the same camera angle and distance, I think we can see that on the lower picture the plate is thicker than on the upper picture. I think it could be 4 times 25mm plate or one 75mm plate and a 25mm plate on it.
Another comparison.
Here is the Zrínyi II in the Kubinka museum. We can see its armour is made up of 3 times 25mm plate, now if we were to add another 25mm plate we would still be able to see the side of the mantlet but it would be less than on any other regular Zrínyi II. The problem is we don’t have any info on them just pictures, needs research but I think comparing them to one another should be enough because we can see it being thicker armoured than the regular version.
Closer shot.
There are many variants of the pre production vehicle, because they changed some things throughout its lifetime, like there are variants with different periscopes, but one of them can be added.
Same specs as the Zrínyi II but probably more weight because of the added armour.
Turán II Pipe
Destroyed :( , some cosmetic changes, can be a cool premium. Same specs as the Turán II late.
PSZH
PSZH:
Country of origin Hungary
Crew: 3 men
Personnel: 6 men
Dimensions and weight
Weight: 7.6 t
Length: 5.69 m
Width: 2.5 m
Height: 2.3 m
Armament
Machine guns: 1 x 14.5 mm, 1 x 7.62 mm
Ammunition load
Machine gun munition: 500 x 14.5 mm, 2 000 x 7.62 mm
Mobility
Engine: Csepel D.414.44 diesel (74,57 kW)
Engine power: 100 hp
Maximum road speed: 81 km/h
Amphibious speed on water: 9 km/h
Range: 500 km
Maneuverability
Gradient: 60%
Side slope: 30%
Vertical step: 0.4 m
Trench: 0.6 m
Fording: Amphibious
Features: Can swim in water and it has infrared lights. Can use nightvision.
Zrínyi II Irénke
Zrínyi II Irénke:
Same as the Zrínyi II late, just some cosmetic changes and a little piece of plus armor on the gun mantlet which is 25mm or 50mm. Could be a great premium.
We can Find Irénke at the Kubinka museum with the added little armour plate on the gun mantlet. The gun is actually broken so its shorter than what its supposed to be.
Rank III
DE-81SP RÁBA H9
This is the truck.
Same automatic mortar as on the Unimog. It can have the same HEAT shells, interestingly it could have NATO HE mortar shells or even smoke, because its 81mm. Its NATO compatible.
Probably same ammo capacity, that is 128 pieces. (My guessing)
elevation/depression: +76 and -4
Specifications for the Truck:
all wheel drive 4x4
gears: 5+1
weight 4.5 t + the mortar
engine: 6 cylinder diesel with 155 hp, 114 kW
Speed: 100 km/h
length: 6630mm
width: 2200mm
height: 2700mm
Sources:
https://epa.oszk.hu/02100/02176/00020/pdf/EPA02176_rendvedelem_52_015-052.pdf at page 14 http://real-j.mtak.hu/11408/1/HT_2015-1_teljes_red.pdf at page 30
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11715/1/Haditechnika_1993.pdf at page 113
DE-81SP Mercedes Unimog
The DE-81SP mortar is a hungarian made mortar which is a smaller 2b9 mortar. 2b9 mortars diameter is 82mm while the Hungarian has 81mm.
It can get a HEAT ammo which could pen 100mm at 90 degrees. The gun has a rpm of 100-120.
Specs for the Unimog:
Engine: 24 kW (169 PS; 166 hp) Gearbox: 8-speed manual
Propulsion: Rear wheel drive with selectable all wheel drive
Speed: 80–110 km/h (50–68 mph)
Turning radius 14,100 mm (46.26 ft)
Aprroach angle 46°
Departure angle 51°
Ground clearance 440 mm (17+3⁄8 in)
Fording depth 1.000 m (3.28 ft)
Armor: non-existent
Crew: 4 (driver, passenger, loader, gunner) but can be 3
elevation/depression: +76 and -4
rate of fire: 100-120
ammo: 128 pieces
Tnterestingly this vehicle could get NATO HE mortar shells or even smoke, because its 81mm. Its NATO compatible.
Source: http://real-j.mtak.hu/11408/1/HT_2015-1_teljes_red.pdf
Turán III
Crew: 5 people (Commander, Loader, Driver, Gunner, Machine gunner)
Length: 6.860 m
Width: 2.440 m – with skirts 2.650m
Height: 2.655 m
Weight: 21 t – with skirts 23 300 kg
Armor: front 75 mm – sides 35mm – rear 35 mm / top and bottom 13 mm
Primary armament: 75 mm 43M L/55 tank gun (same as on the Zrínyi I)
Secondary armament: 2×8 mm 34/40M Gebauer machine gun
Engine: Weiss Manfréd V–8H 8-cylinder gasoline engine
Performance: 195 kW (260 hp)
Suspension: leaf spring
Speed: 39 km/h and with skirts 37 km/h
Power to weight: 11.8 hp/t and with skirts 11.2 hp/t
Sources: http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf
Tas 75mm variant
armament: 43.M 75mm (same as on the Zrínyi I and the Turán III) and a 8mm gebauer machinegun
weight: 36 600 kg
Engine: Two Weiss Manfréd V–8H 8-cylinder gasoline engine which make 520 hp / 382 kW
Speed: 44,5 km/h backwards and forwards
Gears: 5-5
Armor: hull: UFP 75mm, LFP 75mm, nose plate 120mm, sides 50mm, rear 100mm and 75mm, top and bottom 20mm (we don’t know the frontal corners, could be 75mm, 120mm or 50mm)
turret: all around 100mm, top 20mm
Crew: 5 (Gunner, Loader, Commander, Driver, Machine gunner)
Height: 2700mm
Width: 3150mm
length: 6300mm
Sources: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/hungary/44m-tas
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11729/1/Haditechnika_2008.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11727/1/Haditechnika_2006.pdf
Pancelvadasz.hu
Krupp Protze Buzogányvető
Specifications of the Buzogányvető (Macethrower):
Length: 970mm
Diameter: 215 mm
Weight of the rocket head: 29,2-30 kg
Weight of the explosive head: 4,212 kg
Weight of the engine housing: 20,5 kg
Gunpowder rods: 3,2-4,6kg
Penetration: at least 300mm of armour or concrete.
Speed of the rocket: 56 m/s 202 km/h
Krupp Protze specifications:
Mass: 2,600 kg (5,700 lb) / more with the Buzogányvető
Length: 5.10 m (16 ft 9 in)
Width: 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)
Height: 1.96 m (6 ft 5 in)
Armor: None
Engine: Krupp Boxer motor, 3.3 liters or 60 hp
Maximum speed: 70 km/h (43 mph)
ammo: we don’t have info on how many it carried, it could have HE and HEAT rockets
Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_Protze
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp-Protze https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_2.pdf
https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11731/1/Haditechnika_2010.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11708/1/Haditechnika_1987.pdf
https://www.flickr.com/photos/34814045@N08/49991440123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_44M
https://tanksrarities.blogspot.com/2021/10/toldi-ii-lt-con-lanzador-de-cohetes.html
Toldi Buzogányvető
A Toldi tank transformed to use Buzogányvető rockets.
Specifications of the Buzogányvető (Macethrower):
Length: 970mm
Diameter: 215 mm
Weight of the rocket head: 29,2-30 kg
Weight of the explosive head: 4,212 kg
Weight of the engine housing: 20,5 kg
Gunpowder rods: 3,2-4,6kg
Penetration: at least 300mm of armour or concrete.
Speed of the rocket: 56 m/s 202 km/h
Specifications for the Toldi:
Mass Toldi IIA: 9.3 t
Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)
Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)
Crew: 3
Armor: Toldi II: 7-33 mm
Main armament: 215mm Buzogányvető rocket
Ammo: 4-6 pieces inside the hull and 2 ready to be fired, can get HE and HEAT rockets
Engine: Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres 155-160 bhp
Power/weight: 19 hp/t
Suspension: torsion bar
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road
Sources: 38M Toldi - Wikipedia
https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_2.pdf
https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11731/1/Haditechnika_2010.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11708/1/Haditechnika_1987.pdf
https://www.flickr.com/photos/34814045@N08/49991440123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_44M
https://tanksrarities.blogspot.com/2021/10/toldi-ii-lt-con-lanzador-de-cohetes.html
Haditechnika 43. (2009) (mtak.hu) at page 68
Csepel Járda gépkocsi ZU-23
Weapon: Same as the BTR-ZD or the Boswark
Csepel Járda gépkocsi is a D-344.01 truck made for carrying and using anti-aircraft cannons on the plato.
Specs for the truck:
Engine: Csepel D-414H (Diesel, 5.5 dm3, 70 kW)
Transmission: Manual five-speed gearbox
Propulsion: Tyres
Wheelbase: 3750 mm
Length: 6716 mm
Width: 2498 mm
Height: 2775 mm
weight: 5700 kg + 950 kg (zu-23)
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csepel_D-344
https://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?na_order=&na_start=2488&na_step=30&t=9135569
Nimród late
Mass: 10.5 tonnes
Length: 5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)
Width: 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in)
Height: 2.8 m (9 ft 2 in)
Crew: 6
Armor: 6–13 mm on the hull, 10 mm on the turret
Main armament: 40 mm 36.M, has AP which penetrates 61 mm at 100m 90 degrees.
Can get AP, armored core shells, HE and APHE
And a fin stabilized HEAT shell, which is 160mm in diameter and can penetrate up to 180mm of armor. Its mass was 9.2 kg and had around 2.6 kg of explosive mass. It can go 110 m/s.
It had two versions, 42.M and 42/a.M. The 42/a.M had a wider sleeve so that the flash eliminator on the Nimród did not have to be removed. So the 42/a.M should have a faster reload speed than the 42.M. But I think only the 42/a.M should be added.
Engine: Ganz VIII EST 107, 8-cylinder, gasoline, water-cooled 150 hp (110 kW)
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)
elevation/depression: 90 degrees, -5 degrees
rate of fire: 120 rpm
ammo: 160 piece
Sources: https://live.warthunder.com/post/768658/en/
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40M_Nimród
Zrínyi I
Same as in game but without the launchers on top.
I will discuss the historical inaccuracies because the stats are in game and can be viewed, but there are some that are not accurate and I just want to direct a little bit of attention to the inaccuracies. First of all the LFP should be 75mm (50+25) and does not have rivets. Second, there are sources that say that the structures front is 100mm thick not 75mm, this needs research. Third, the mantlet should cover more like you can see in the picture.
Zrínyi I sorozatvető
This is the Zrínyi I we have in game, with the 15 cm rockets. Same inaccuracies apply to this as well. But with this variant does not have the exhaust drums as seen on the picture.
2B9 MT-LBu
MT-LBu 2b9:
It can get a HEAT ammo which could pen 100mm at 90 degrees. The gun has a rpm of 100-120.
Mass 15,550 kg
Length 7.21 m
Width 2.85 m
Height 1.905 m
Armor Welded aluminum
Engine: YaMZ-238N, V-8 diesel 300 hp at 2,100 rpm
Suspension: Torsion bar
Maximum speed: 61.5 km/h (road) 30 km/h (off-road)
5 to 6 km/h (in the water)
Armor: max 10mm
Crew: 4 (driver, passenger, loader, gunner)
elevation/depression: +85 and -1
rate of fire: 100-120
ammo: 128 piece
Rank IV
2b9 AMB-1
2b9 AMB-1:
PAM-1 sight specifications:
Indirect sight:
zoom: 2,5x
Field of view: 9o
Direct sight:
zoom: 3x
Field of view: 18o
2B9 mortar specifications:
range: 4270 m
velocity of the munition: 270 m/s
practical firing rate: 100-120 rounds per minute
recommended number of ammunition: 226 grenades
caliber: 82 mm
Aiming elevation: Horizontaly: ±30o
Vertically: -1o +85o
the weight of the weapon: 622 kg
Specifications for the 2B9 AMB:
Length: 6805 mm
Width: 2940 mm
Height: 2110 mm
Combat weight: 13,600 kg + 622 kg (the 2B9)
Crew: 3-4 people (driver, commander, loader/gunner and maybe plus one loader)
Vehicle armament: 2B9
Maximum speed: 65 km/h
Average speed on the road: 21.5 km/h
Features: Night vision, laser rangefinder, if implemented a computer which you could fire directly or indirectly with. A cumulative round with a great shrapnell effect, with a 100mm pen.
Specification for the BEKM-82 munition:
The length of the ammunition: 330 mm
The diameter of the ammunition: 82 mm
The weight of the ammunition: 3.1 kg
Starting speed 270 m/s from an automatic mortar
from a traditional mortar (3 discs) 210 m/s
Range from automatic mortar 4300 m
3200 m from a traditional mortar
Armor penetration: 100 mm at 90 degrees
Sources:
https://acr.army.cz/technika-a-vyzbroj/poz/zvv/ot-90-amb-s-210995/
https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_4.pdf
https://armamentresearch.com/soviet-2b9m-vasilek-self-loading-mortar/
https://podarilove.ru/hu/vasilek-2-minomet-vasilek/
https://haditechnikaiintezet.hu/fejlesztes/onjaro-automata-aknaveto-autonom-tuzvezeto-rendszerrel
https://haditechnikaiintezet.hu/fejlesztes/82-mm-repesz-kumulativ-aknagranat
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11406/6/HT_2013-6_teljes_red.pdf
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_id=208161&size=full#image_208161
Tas 80mm variant
armament: 29/44.M 80mm
weight: 36 600 kg
Engine: Two Weiss Manfréd V–8H 8-cylinder gasoline engine which make 520 hp / 382 kW
Speed: 44,5 km/h
Gears: 5-5
Armor: hull: UFP 75mm, LFP 75mm, nose plate 120mm, sides 50mm, rear 100mm and 75mm, top and bottom 20mm (we don’t know the frontal corners, could be 75mm, 120mm or 50mm)
turret: all around 100mm, top 20mm
Crew: 5 (Gunner, Loader, Commander, Driver, Machine gunner)
Height: 2700mm
Width: 3150mm
length: 6300mm
Sources: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/hungary/44m-tas
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11729/1/Haditechnika_2008.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11727/1/Haditechnika_2006.pdf
Pancelvadasz.hu
And if nobody believes that the Tas had an 80mm gun planned.
The only remaining piece of the Tas, and you can see the 8 cm on the sight.
Nimród Sorozatvető
Specifications of the vehicle/carrier:
(Its chassis is the Nimród which is a Hungarian HEAVILY modified L-62.)
Place of origin: Hungary
Mass: There is not a data on it, could be around 8-9 tonnes.
Length: 5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)
Width: 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in) (maybe wider a little bit because of the frame where the tubes are located.)
Height: (Smaller than the Nimród with the turret, but for how much we dont know for sure, maybe the same size as the Lehel)
Crew: 2-3 (loader, driver and if three than a comander)
Armor: 6-10-13 mm
Main armament: 44.m Buzogányvető rocket launcher
Munitions: Buzogányvető with 1,75 kg TNT, and 2,32 kg TNT/nitropenta for anti-tank use, and Zápor with ~4-5 kg (9 pounds) of explosives for anti-infantry use. IT COULD CARRY 15-20 ROCKETS.
Engine: VIII EST 107, 8-cylinder, gasoline, water-cooled 150 hp (110 kW), (15,2 horsepower/tonne)
Operational range: 300 km (180 mi)
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)
Specifications of the Buzogányvető (Macethrower):
Length: 970mm
Diameter: 215 mm
Weight of the rocket head: 29,2-30 kg
Weight of the explosive head: 4,212 kg
Weight of the engine housing: 20,5 kg
Gunpowder rods: 3,2-4,6kg
Penetration: at least 300mm of armour or concrete.
Speed of the rocket: 56 m/s 202 km/h
Sources: https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_2.pdf
https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11731/1/Haditechnika_2010.pdf
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11708/1/Haditechnika_1987.pdf
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/40M_Nimród
https://www.flickr.com/photos/34814045@N08/49991440123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_44M
https://tanksrarities.blogspot.com/2021/10/toldi-ii-lt-con-lanzador-de-cohetes.html
PSZH Malyutka ATGMs
Specifications:
Crew: 3+6 people
Length: 5.69 m
Width: 2.5 m
Height: 2.3 m
Weight: 7,6 tonnes
Armor: 14 mm welded steel
Primary armament: 14.5 mm KPVT machine gun
3 wire-guided 9M14 Malyutka ATGMs (MCLOS guidance)
Secondary armament: KGKT 7.62 mm machine gun
Engine Csepel: D-414.44 four-cylinder diesel engine
D-414.44 = 100 HP (74.57 kW)
Speed: on road (max.) = 81 km/h
Off-road (max.) = 45 km/h
In water (max.) = 9 km/h km/h
Range: 500 km
Sight: KM-1
elevation/deppression: +30o
-5o
The turret was hand cranked.
Features: the vehicle had TVN-2 infrared lights, like beside the 14.5mm machinegun (it had night vision equipment)
I am not sure if the rockets are real and could be launched from the vehicle. It needs more research.
Sources:
https://haditechnikaiintezet.hu/fejlesztes/d-944-pancelozott-szallito-harcjarmu-pszh
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-442_FUG#Development_of_PSZH
https://military-technology.blog.hu/2020/10/02/a_raba_vp-tol_a_kf41_hiuzig
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/malyutka.htm
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1904633609695258&set=a.1286351141523511
Rank V
BMP-1 BTR-80A
This a BMP with a BTR turret, This was made way before the BMP-1AM.
BMP hull – same as in game
BTR 80A turret – same as in game
Sources: https://forum.htka.hu/threads/a-magyar-hadero-lehetseges-fejlesztesi-iranyai.499/page-621
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/forszoveg.php?forumID=3&ID=16204#_
KTJ-04 Szöcske SZPG-9D
Length: 3620mm
Width: 1800mm
Height: 1800mm
Crew: 3 (driver, loader, gunner/commander)
Weight: 930kg + 59,5kg(SZPG-9D)
Engine type: turbo-diesel
Engine power: 58 kW
gears: 5+1
Max speed: 130 km/h
Ammo: we don’t know how much it could carry
Could penetrate 300mm-400mm or 550mm with tandem. It depends on the ammunition type it gets.
Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/SZPG–9
https://youtu.be/umfhds6bPEg?t=2219
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf
https://karosszektabornok.blog.hu/2022/04/01/271_volt_egyszer_egy_ktj_szocske
Rank VI
KF-41 Híúz
KF-41 Híúz:
I don’t know if I should put this here because its german, but it is different like what was shown in Australia. And there will be SPAA versions and stuff in Hungary and made in Hungary.
Mass: 45 tonnes
Length: 7.73 m
Width: 3812 mm
Height: 3734 mm
Crew: 3 + 8
Armour: Steel armour with various appliques
Main armament: Lance turret with 30 mm Rheinmetall MK30-2/ABM
Secondary armament: co-axial 7.62 mm light machine gun, smoke grenade launchers and optional Spike LR2 ATGMs or UAV launchers. On top a 12.7 mm M2 machine gun
Engine: 1,140hp (850kW) / some sources say it has 1463 hp engine
Transmission: Renk HSWL 256 (KF41) fully automatic
Suspension: Swinging arms with torsion bars and shock-absorbers
Maximum speed on road: 75 km/h and in reverse 35 km/h
APS: Strikeshield
Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(gyalogsági_harcjármű)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(Rheinmetall_armoured_fighting_vehicle)#_Iraq
T-55A SZRP
T-55A Technical Data:
armament: primary weapon: 100mm D-10T-TS2
secondary weapons: 7.62mm PKT machinegun
DSHK 12.7 heavy machinegun
ammunition: 43 rounds
armour: 200mm - 20mm
Engine: V-55 500 horsepower
Transmission: 5 forward - 1 reverse gears
Maximum speed: 51 km/h (~32 mph) on road 27 km/h cross country (~17 mph)
Length: 6.2 m (9.0 m with gun forward)
Width: 3.64 m
Height: 2.35 m
weight: 38 tonnes
crew: 4 (driver, gunner, commander, loader)
features: night vision, two plane stabiliazer, NBC protection, infrared sight
Operational range: 325 kilometres (202 mi), 610 kilometres (380 mi) with extra tanks (on unpaved roads)
Two variants of the Hungarian ERA:
SZRP-L (which is lower in height, smaller one), at 0 o it reduces the penetration to 40% (800mm or less penetration), at 45 o it reduces penetration to 15% (800mm or less penetration)
SZRP-N (bigger one, normal thick one), at 0 o it reduces the penetration to 20% (800mm or less penetration), at 45 o it reduces penetration to 5% (800mm or less penetration)
Sources: https://mkk.uni-nke.hu/document/mkk-uni-nke-hu/1995_kulonszam.pdf
Hadtörténeti Múzeum Magyargencs
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_url=upload%2F200807%2F111928_76468_T55_magyar_reaktiv_potpancelhu3.JPG
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_id=269245&size=medium#image_269245
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_tank_heavy_armoured_vehicles_u/t-55_main_battle_tank_technical_data_fact_sheet_pictures_video.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/T-55
T-72 CURRUS or T-72M
It’s a modernized T-72M1 (which we have in game), it has faster reload at 10 rounds per minute.
A better transmission.
Hungarian ERA with around 600mm of protection against chemical rounds, can reduce penetration by 70%. It has laser warning receiver. Better stabilizer.
“It had an automatic engine and gear control, which would have enabled the tank to turn around in one place. One track forward and the other one backwards. (actually, it would not have turned in one place, but with a turning radius of about 40 cm, since there is about that much gear difference between the single and reverse gears) I saw this in action, it was surprising what the T72 can do like that. The cooling fan would have been driven hydraulically, and until it had to turn on (low engine temperature) or in emergency mode when extra horsepower is needed, it would have given - or not taken away - approx. 90-100 HP, which is required for the fan drive. The engine would have been electronically regulated to always operate at optimum power and torque, taking into account consumption. The electronics would also have selected the gears, the driver only had to choose the direction of travel. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out.”
Sources:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100528155705/http://currus.hu/
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066441900267151450/1122944438310805646/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066441900267151450/1120059104963076137/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066441900267151450/1120054667469131877/image.png
https://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?na_start=22188&na_step=30&t=9010902&na_order=
UAZ-469 Konkurs
Engine: 2010–2013 – 2,693 cm3 (2.7 L) 83.5 kW (112 hp)[1]
Transmission: 4-speed or 5-speed manual gearbox 2-speed transfer shift
Length: 4,025 mm (158.5 in)
Width: 1,785 mm (70.3 in)
Height: 2,050 mm (80.7 in)
Curb weight: 1,700 kg (3,747.9 lb)
Crew: 3 or 4 (Commander/gunner, Driver, loader)
Konkurs:
Mass 14.6 kg (32 lb) (Missile weight)
22.5 kg (50 lbs) (9P135 launching post)[4]
Length: 1,150 mm (45 in) 875 mm (34.4 in) without gas generator
Diameter: 135 mm (5.3 in)
Wingspan: 468 mm (18.4 in)
Warhead: 2.7 kg (6.0 lb) 9N131 HEAT
1PBN86-VI thermal sight
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M113_Konkurs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAZ-469
makettinfo.hu
UAZ-469 METISZ-M
UAZ-469:
Engine: 2010–2013 – 2,693 cm3 (2.7 L) 83.5 kW (112 hp)[1]
Transmission: 4-speed or 5-speed manual gearbox 2-speed transfer shift
Length: 4,025 mm (158.5 in)
Width: 1,785 mm (70.3 in)
Height: 2,050 mm (80.7 in)
Curb weight: 1,700 kg (3,747.9 lb)
Crew: 3 (Commander/gunner, Driver, loader)
Metis-M:
Mass Missile in launch tube: 13.8 kg
Launcher: 10.2 kg (Metis-M),[4] 9.5 kg (Metis-M1)[5]
Thermal sight: 6.5 kg(Metis-M1)[5]
Length: 980 mm
Diameter: 130 mm
Warhead: HEAT tandem warhead,
Armor penetration: behind ERA: 800 mm (Metis-M), 900-980 mm (Metis-M1)
thermobaric anti-personnel/anti-material warhead is also available
1PBN86-VI thermal sight
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAZ-469
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K115-2_Metis-M
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/forszoveg.php?forumID=582&first=3700#_
Mercedes-Benz G 270 CDI Metis-M
Mercedes-Benz G 270 CDI:
Length (mm): 4642
Width (mm): 1774
Height (mm): 1960
Own weight (kg): 2640 kg
Maximum climb with full load: 38°
Maximum speed (km/h): 156
Engine: 5-cylinder, 4-stroke, in-line, liquid-cooled, common-rail turbodiesel, electronic engine control
Engine power (kW): 115
Metis-M:
Mass Missile in launch tube: 13.8 kg
Launcher: 10.2 kg (Metis-M),[4] 9.5 kg (Metis-M1)[5]
Thermal sight: 6.5 kg(Metis-M1)[5]
Length: 980 mm
Diameter: 130 mm
Warhead: HEAT tandem warhead,
Armor penetration: behind ERA: 800 mm (Metis-M), 900-980 mm (Metis-M1)
thermobaric anti-personnel/anti-material warhead is also available
1PBN86-VI thermal sight
Sources:
https://honvedelem.hu/images/media/5f58c420e6c17989423363.pdf page 22
BMP-1 OWS-25
BMP hull, same as in game.
Turret and cannon:
Armament
Main: 25mm Oerlikon Contraves KBA and Stinger missiles (same autocannon as on the Dardo)
Coax: 7.62mm machine gun as a coaxial weapon
Smoke: 2x3 smoke grenade launchers
Ammunition Main: 140 HE rounds ready for use
60 AP rounds ready for use
Coax: 250 rounds ready for use
Crew: 3 (gunner, commander, driver)
Traverse: Electrically controlled 360 deg.
Elevation: Electrically controlled, Elevation range: -8 deg. to + 45 deg. Manual backup drive
Optics Main: Peritelescopic combined day / night sight
Supplementary: 6 vision blocks
Turret Weight 1000 Kg. (without the gunner)
Nominal aperture in vehicle deck Ø1067 mm
Height Above Deck 1000 mm.
Power supply 24 VDC
Sources:
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11720/1/Haditechnika_1998.pdf at page 267
https://forum.htka.hu/threads/a-magyar-hadero-lehetseges-fejlesztesi-iranyai.499/page-621
https://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?na_start=22082&na_step=300&t=9010902&na_order=
GAZ-66 IGLA "Láma"
GAZ-66 truck:
General:
Produced: 1964-1999
Notable forcompact: 4x4 truck
Engine Type: V8 ZMZ 513
Fuel: gasoline
Power: 92 kW
Maximum Torque: 294 Nm
Dimensions:
Curb Weight: 3440 Kg
Wheelbase: 3.3m
Crew: 2
Height: 2,440 m
Length: 5,655 m
Width: 2,342 m
Ground Clearance: 0,310 m
Driving capacities:
Fuel Capacity: 210 L
Fuel Consumption: 24 L/100 km
Speed on Road: 95 km/h
Igla missile:
Mass: Missile weight: 10.8 kg (24 lb)
Full system: 17.9 kg (39 lb)
Length: 1.574 m (5.16 ft)
Diameter: 72 mm
Warhead: 1.17 kg (2.6 lb) with 390 g (14 oz) explosive
Detonation mechanism: Contact and grazing fuze
Engine: Solid fuel rocket motor
Flight ceiling: 3.5 km (11,000 ft)
Maximum speed: 570 m/s[3] (peak), about Mach 1.9
Guidance system: Dual waveband infra-red (S-version)
ammo: we don’t know how many it could carry, it can have SA-18 and SA-16 missiles
Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ–66
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Igla
makettinfo.hu
Mistral Unimog
UNIMOG 435:
Technical Specifications:
Gearbox: 8-speed manual
Propulsion: Rear wheel drive with selectable all wheel drive
Vmax: 80–110 km/h (50–68 mph)
Fuel consumption: 20–22 L/100 km
Turning radius: 14,100 mm (46.26 ft)
Approach angle: 46°
Departure angle: 51°
Ground clearance: 440 mm (17+3⁄8 in)
Fording depth: 1.000 m (3.28 ft)
Rated power: 124 kW (169 PS; 166 hp)
Dimensions:
Wheelbase: 3,250–3,850 mm (128–151+5⁄8 in)
Length: 5.500–6,100 mm (1⁄4–240+1⁄8 in)
Width: 2,300 mm (90+1⁄2 in)
Height: 2,875 mm (113+1⁄4 in)
Kerb weight: 4.5–5.5 t (4.4–5.4 long tons; 5.0–6.1 short tons)
Mistral misslie:
Specifications:
Mass: 19.7 kg
Length: 1.86 m
Diameter: 90 mm
Effective firing range: up to 6 km 7+ km (Mistral-3)
Warhead: High Explosive with high density tungsten balls
Warhead weight: 2.95 kg
Detonation mechanism: Laser proximity or impact triggered
Engine: Solid Rocket Motor, 2-stage
Maximum speed: 930 m/s, approx. Mach 2.71
Guidance system: Infrared homing
Plus info:
ammo: 2+6, 2 already on the launcher and 6 in the vehicle (placed inside the hexagon openings) / can be Mistral 2 and Mistral 3 missiles
Crew: Can be 1 driver and 1 gunner or 1 driver, 1 passenger and 1 gunner (probably 3 crew would be better)
Ingame:
It would be a fast 4x4 with MANPADS, it would be similar to the Type 93. It does not get any other guns so maybe it could get scouting atleast.
Sources: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11974439@N05/44654310782/in/photostream/
https://www.hmarzenal.hu/vedelmi-ipar/mistral-legvedelmi-raketa-rendszer.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_(missile)
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral#Mistral_rakéták_a_Magyar_Honvédségben
UAZ-469 Fagot
UAZ-469:
Engine: 2010–2013 – 2,693 cm3 (2.7 L) 83.5 kW (112 hp)
Transmission: 4-speed or 5-speed manual gearbox 2-speed transfer shift
Speed: 130 km/h
Length: 4,025 mm (158.5 in)
Width: 1,785 mm (70.3 in)
Height: 2,050 mm (80.7 in)
Curb weight: 1,700 kg (3,747.9 lb)
Crew: 3 (Commander/gunner, Driver, loader)
Fagot missile:
Penetration power: 400 mm or 600mm
Rate of fire: 3 rds / min
Muzzle velocity: 80 m/s (180 mph; 290 km/h) at launch
186 m/s (420 mph; 670 km/h) in flight speed
Effective firing range: 70–2,500 m (230–8,200 ft)
Warhead: High-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warhead
Warhead weight: 1.7 kg (3.7 lb)
9P135M1 launcher, 22.5 kg,
Its got a thermal imager - 1PN65.
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAZ-469
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K111_Fagot
http://www.armaco.bg/en/product/launchers-guided-missiles-c33/9p135m-launcher-p512
https://en.missilery.info/missile/concursm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1697.html
Rank VII
KF41 Híúz Spike
Hungary will have spike missiles on the KF41, I made two versions one with and one without the spike.
This one is the same KF41 as the 10.0 one but it has spikes.
This is the box where the spike will go.
The pictures come from me. In Ludovika there was an exhibition where you could view vehicles. There was the KF41, Panzerhaubitze, Gidtán and BTRs.
KF 41 Híúz SPAAG
Hungary has announced in the past that it will have and SPAAG version. It will use the Skyranger 30 system.
Specifications of Skyranger 30:
Mass (turret only): 2–2.5 t
Length (turret only): 5.175 mm
Width (turret only): 2.568 mm
Height (turret only): 1.444 mm
Crew: 3
Maximum firing range gun: 3000 m
missile: Mistral 2 or 3
Armor: STANAG 4569 Level 2, upgradable to Level 4
Hopefully guys you enjoyed my presentation, and I hope you learned something new.
Note: If you want the History or anything else of x and y vehicle, than just ask me and I will happily reply!
Updates
Update #1: Toldi Buzogányvető ammo number
A little update on the Buzogányvető Toldi, I found that it could carry between 4-6 pieces of rockets inside the hull. so 4-6 + 2 ready to be fired.
source: Haditechnika 43. (2009) (mtak.hu) page 68
Update #2: More vehicles and fixes
Added vehicles
44.M Toldi I egészségügyi
In 1944, some Toldi tanks were converted into a medical vehicle, however, the only serious thing the conversion changed was the widening of the right-side turret hatch and the reduction of the amount of ammunition carried in the vehicle. In March 1944, 9 Toldi tanks wer converted in the Ganz factory, the converted medical tanks were handed over to the military during the summer.
It is almost the same as the Toldi I (A.20), only the right side turret hatch was changed and it carries less ammo. All other things are the same. Also it would have the red cross.
Could have a special mechanic where you could heal other team members crews, or give one crew personal to a team member.
Sources
This text will be hidden at page 250 and 279
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11712/1/Haditechnika_1991.pdf at page 231
40.M Turán Prototype
Almost same as the 40.M Turán I, it has a different drivers port which could make the weakspot smaller or outright deleted and give armor to the sorrounding area.
Sources
(http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf) at page 66
Vetőcsöves Turán
A really rare and interesting vehicle, not much is known about it. It was photographed in 1944 in front of the HTI building. It is said that the boxes on the vehicle had rockets that could be fired. It is not far fetched as we can see that they put rockets on the Zrínyi I and a Toldi.
The launchers can be elevated to around 60 degrees. and they had the dimension of 1100-1200x250-300x250-300 mm, now there are two possibilities. One could be the Buzogányvető rockets and the other one could be the Lidérc rockets. But the Buzogányvető seems more plausible because it was mounted on other vehicles and had more manufactured than the Lidérc rocket.
I wrote down the Buzogányvető rockets on other vehicles so I wont repeat it here but I will tell what the Lidérc rocket was.
The Lidérc
An experimental air to air missile, the project sadly was never fully finished because of the war and time running out. It would be launched from planes to destroy bombers and bomber formations. But that would never be accomplished
Specifications:
diameter: 300mm
Total weight: 141,3 kg
Length: 1432 mm
Explosive: 10,92 kg of TNT or TNT/NPT
At 45-50 degree angle it could make 5-8 km distance
Destroying radius: aorund 60-70 m on the sides and 5-8 m on forward and back
Both rockets can be deadly, the problem is with the lidérc’s speed, it would launch the rocket far away, while the Buzogányvető has a 56 m/s speed and could be fired into the capture zones and elsewhere
It would be cool to see it in game, it would have the function of an artillery, same as the Matilda hedgehog.
Sources
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at page 129
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11730/1/Haditechnika_2009.pdf at page 126
KF41 Híúz Spike
Hungary will have spike missiles on the KF41, I made two versions one with and one without the spike.
This one is the same KF41 as the 10.0 one but it has spikes.
This is the box where the spike will go.
The pictures come from me. In Ludovika there was an exhibition where you could view vehicles. There was the KF41, Panzerhaubitze, Gidtán and BTRs.
KF 41 Híúz SPAAG
Hungary has announced in the past that it will have and SPAAG version. It will use the Skyranger 30 system.
Specifications of Skyranger 30:
Mass (turret only): 2–2.5 t
Length (turret only): 5.175 mm
Width (turret only): 2.568 mm
Height (turret only): 1.444 mm
Crew: 3
Maximum firing range gun: 3000 m
missile: Mistral 2 or 3
Armor: STANAG 4569 Level 2, upgradable to Level 4
Fixes and changes
Picture was changed on the 38.M Toldi I (A.20), the previous picture was the B.20 not the A.20. It does not have the antena now.
The Toldi with the Tetőgéppuska was changed, its name is now 42.M Toldi II B.20 from 38.M Toldi I (A.20). Because it has the antena now.
The KF41 dimensions changed and specifications changed. Source https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html .
Update #3: added vehicles and changes
Added vehicles
40.M Turán I M
40.M Turán I M
Interesting thing about this Turán that it has 60mm of armor and not the usual 50mm. Because these were the early Turáns it does not get the better AP shell from the Nimród and it does not get side skirts.
The 60mm armor is built up by a 35 and a 25mm armor plate.
Here on the picture you can see the two plates.
Thanks for Miltaccfd, for sharing the picture and the source :)
Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG
Weight: around 18-19 t
Length: 5530 mm
Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)
Height: 2355 mm
Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)
Armor: 13-60 mm
Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun
Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm
Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns
Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)
Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse
Suspension: leaf spring
Ground clearance: 380 mm
Fuel volume: 265 l
Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)
Source:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677523784324087828/945225356883931156/unknown.png
Bombay, Gyarmati, Turcsányi: Harckocsik 1916-tól napjainkig, page 100, ISBN: 9633273323
Again thanks to Miltaccfd!
Fixes and changes
AC II Páncélgépkocsi moved from 1.3 to 1.0 reason: it did not have a stronger engine, it had the same as the Csaba
Renamed V-4 tanks: V-4 early and V-4 late reaston: more straightforward names and the names are shorter
FUG-70: Added a better picture for it
PSZH prototípus 23mm: Added a picture of the vehicle. We cannot see the cannons but we can see the turret and the vehicle. This picture could be used for the FUG-70 as well.
Straussler monitor: deleted because maybe controversial, I will make a potential vehicle list where this will be put.
Zrínyi II H-801: Previously Zrínyi II 100mm was changed from 3.3 to 3.7 Reason is because we dont no if its 100 mm, maybe its just 75mm as the other Zrínyi tanks. Also the mantlet is much weaker. Its not 75mm, on the picture it can be seen that its a slimmer plate. This needs more research, but could be added.
Nimród late: moved up a rank for a more spread out tech tree.
Mercedes-Benz G 270 CDI: named changed to G 270 CDI METISZ-M Reason is that its a shorter name
UAZ-469 Fagot: moved down 0.3 Reason is because of the weaker and smaller missiles compared to the Konkurs
Foldered tech tree
Foldered vehicles:
Toldi I A.20 and B.20 foldered
Csaba and AC II vehicles foldered
V-4 tanks foldered
Turán I vehicles foldered
Turán II vehicels foldered
PSZH-M and PSZH prototípus foldered
Zrínyi II and Zrínyi II late vehicles have been foldered
Interesting developments of Hungary
PSZH-2
History
At the end of the 1960s, in addition to the production of the the D-944 armored fighter carrier (PSZH), the Hungarian People’s Army sought greater performance and a more efficient second generation PSZH. According to the task on the basis of specified requirements, the Military Technology with the collaboration of the Institute, the Vehicle Development Department of the Rába Hungarian Wagon Workshop developed in 1971 s a modern, second-generation PSZH-2 technical plan.
To the stage of implementation (the sample until they were production) were no longer available since the 1970s saw industrial policy choices for prioritized the reversal of domestic bus production. These are decisions for a long time they defined the profile of the domestic vehicle production and they still feel their unfavorable influence to this day.
The Technical Plan for the Development of PSZH-2 called an all-wheel-drive, 4-axle,wheel, independent wheel suspension, floating armored transport fighter-vehicle design. The vehicle constructive design was the then standardized D-566 type military design for the off-road truck. This principle was realized by the engine, the engines, running gear, suspension, brake construction and winch mrespect.
The armor is a self-supporting, completely hermetically sealed, floating structure that had a differentiated thickness (up to 20mm, minimun of 4mm), made of different angled armor plates. Assembling the armor was with welding technology and the plate was of the standard reinforcements. Four high-strength steel tubes made a column that supported the bottom plate. The armor was designed to protect from 20-30mm autocannpns fire over a distance of more than 500 meter away from the front, and small arms fire and artillery shrapnel over 100-200 meters from all directions.
The lead area has seating for the driver and commander. The car is driven with 3 periscopic systems. The commander has a vision device in the rotating dome above his headis built into which a hatch hole is also trained.
The turret in the middle is atop with weapons equipment. Behind the turret is space for 10 troops in the transport space with ball-shaped slots built into the side so they can use their own weapons. The armor-body on left side is of 5 pieces, on right side 4 pieces, while the rear door has 2 slits. The turret complex has a diameter of 1500 mm and is 260 mm to the left vehicle’s longitudinal axis.
Two versions of the turret were planned. The Polish made Vidra complex that has a 30 mm autocannon and a 7,62 mm machine gun. Version B that is the Soviet BMP-1 turret complex which has a 73mm cannon with a 7.62 mm machine gun and a Maljutka wired remote control missile incorporating the launch system. The diesel engine is the Rába-MAN 2156 engine embedded in the
front right side of the vehicle. With regard to its construction, it is water-cooled 6 cylinder with a maximum output is 170.2 kW.
The tactical technical parameters of PSZH-2 were established in a technical plan for a vehicle which is in many respects, even today, can evaluate as an effective military technology.
The main technical data of the combat vehicle:
Vehicle name: PSZH-2
Combat weight: 15,000 kg
Number of persons transported: 13 persons, of which
- 1 driver
- 1 commander;
- 1 gunner;
-10 passengers;
Motor output: 11.3 kW/t
Wheel axle: 8 x 8
Max. speed on road: 80 km/h
Max. speed on water: 12 km/h
Hill climbing ability: 30°
Lateral stability: 20°
Width of trench that can be overcome: 1.5-2 m
Stair climbing ability: 0.45 m
Main dimensions:
- length: 7480 mm;
- width: 3000 mm;
- height (to hull roof): 1900 mm;
(to turret roof): 2500 mm; - wheelbases: A-B: 1400 mm;
B-C: 1950 mm;
C-D: 1400 mm; - gauge: 2500 mm;
- ground clearence: 450 mm;
- approach angle: 45°;
- departure angle: 45°;
- minimum turning radius: 10 m;
- waterline height: 1380 mm;
Engine
- type: RÁBA-MAN 2156;
- engine: diesel;
-structure: 6-cylinder, vertical, in-line, water-cooled, overhead, direct injection;
-power: 170.2 kW (2200 rpm)
Clutch
- type: 0.82.1-1045-000;
- system: single disc, dry friction;
- operation: hydropneumatic
Tower complex
In case of the A variant
- type: Otter
- armament: 1 x 30 mm autocannone gun and 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun
- horizontal firing angle range: 0°-360°;
- vertical firing angle range: -5° +80°
In the case of version В
- type: BMP-1 combat vehicle turret;
- armament: 1 x 73 mm gun and 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun; 6 wired Malyutka anti-tank missiles;
- horizontal firing angle range: 0°-360°
- vertical firing angle range: -4° +30°;
Showcase of the compartments: 1. driver, 2. commander, 3. gunner, 4. passengers, 5. driving compartment, 6. engine compartment, 7. fighting compartment, 8. transport compartment
Three axle PSZH
History
At the end of the 1960s, the idea of developing a highly efficient, second-generation armored personnel carrier (PSZH) arose. The vehicle development department of the Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár - led by the Institute of Military Technology - developed the technical design of the modern, 4-axle PSZH-2. However, the plan wasn’t accomplished, due to the industrial policy decisions of the 1970s and the economic problems that arose.
In this situation, the Institute of Military Technology proposed the creation of a cheaper PSZH, which would have surpassed the 2-axle PSZH in production and combat-technical parameters.
Based on the proposal, the plan of the new PSZH was completed, with the Specialist personal of Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár - with regard to production to simplify and reduce production costs - if manufactured the vehicle would use a lot of parts from already existing vehicles for easier production, it would have used parts and units from the D-944 PSZH and the D-566 off-road vehicle.
The technical plan developed on the basis of these principles: lightly armored vehicle, 3-axle, all-wheel drive, floating, rear engine, .
From the blueprint, it can be established that the vehicle to be developed from it would have met the requirements, and would have been an improvement over the D-944 type PSZH, as:
- had good maneuverability on dry land and on water;
- its performance bonus was adequate;
- it provided adequate armor protection for the transported passengers ;
- made it possible to overcome contaminated terrain with radiation, chemical and biological dangers.
- its firepower could also have been improved in the future because of the space inside the vehicle, turret
- could have served as a base for different purpose armored vehicles (commander, reconnaissance, ambulance, etc.).
Despite all these advantages, Hungary chose to manufacture buses and other non military vehicles, because of this, the vehicles project was stopped, even if it would have been cheaper and easier to manufacture than the previous version. In July 1972, the the fate of the development in the initial stages of works was sealed, work stopped.
The main technical data of the combat vehicle:
Name: PSZH-M
Combat weight: 10.5 t
Number of persons transported: 9 persons, of which
- 1 driver
- 1 commander;
- 1 gunner;
- 6 passengers;
Motor output: 16,2 kW/t
Wheel axle: 6x6
Max. speed on road: 80 km/h
Max. speed on water: 12 km/h
Hill climbing ability: 30°
Lateral stability: 20°
Width of trench that can be overcome: 1.5 m
Stair climbing ability: 0.45 m
Main dimensions:
- length: 6750 mm;
- width: 2500 mm;
- height (to hull roof): 1900 mm;
(ro turret roof): 2500 mm; - ground clearence: 420 mm;
- wheelbases: A-B: 2000 mm; B-C: 2000 mm;
- approach angle: 45°;
- departure angle: 45°;
- minimum turning radius: 10 m;
- waterline height: 1300 mm;
Engine
- type: RÁBA-MAN 2156;
- engine: diesel;
-structure: 6-cylinder, vertical, in-line, water-cooled, overhead, direct injection;
-power: 170.2 kW (2200 rpm)
Tower complex
Same as on the D-944 PSZH
- armament: 1 x KVPT 14.5 mm heavy machine gun and 1 x KGKT 7.62 mm machine gun
- optic: KM-1, which is a day-night sight
Source
Haditechnika 30. (1996) (mtak.hu) at page 233
