It’s come to my conclusion that maybe, hypothetically, the matchmaking system in game is abysmal garbage and not the nation.
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Please avoid unnecessary insults.
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How is that any different from a Zero at 5.3 fighting things 200-300km/h faster, even in a downtier.
Its not. As I said. Its a compression issue. Moving the 262 down to 6.7 screws those below ever more. Moving the 8.0s back up screws them as they now face the supersonic 9.3s. Moving the 9.3s up screws them as they face all-aspect slingers with no CMs.
What is needed, is a full tree decompress and not just an ever changing mess of compression and decompression
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As much as I’d like to see the F-104s and Mig-19s at 9.7, they shouldn’t be facing 10.7 supersonic planes without CMs, especially if those 10.7s have all aspect or 30g overload missiles. The Mig-29BN is a pain to play because of it.
Yep, That would be brutal. We already see with the F-104s at a higher BR, that the airframe doesnt last long
I am certain having the currently busted superprops like the p51h, yak3u, etc suddenly be slammed by downtiered early jets every game will definitely not have adverse consequences in a future br cycle for everything below them in turn
only a matter of time before we get the 109e4 back to 2.3 again lol
Well so be it, share the burden of compression, the 262s have been trashed for years, beyond speed they won’t have much of an advantage.
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So… All other nations must suffer but under no circumstance can Germany be allowed to suffer?
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Germany is suffering plenty, the 262s have suffered for the better part of the game’s existence, so why should they continue to suffer and not have a shift of balance for once and not have them be permanent ass.
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That’s the lack of your skill, not a plane issue.
I was in a Sim game today. Early German Jets got shredded with ease by a P 51. The P-51 is in all aspects way better than the early jets, except the bit lower top speed.
Way better acceleration, turn rate, climb rate, and guns where u don’t even need to aim…
Like I said earlier, I lost all my respect for the Murica players. And you just prove me right.
If you play an early jet correctly vs a prop, you are virtually untouchable in a jet vs prop match and can simply barrel stuff props repeatedly after banking and using energy unless you get slow and stupid, otherwise they cannot contest you.
However, given you apparently cant seem to go even near 1:1 in any plane you touch in gamemodes where people are actually aware of your presence even while spamming out rank 1 and 2’s, and have never touched another nation besides germany so you have no clue how any other nation’s planes actually feel to fly, it’s not a surprise you’re unaware of the consequences of downtiering planes, and especially jets into prop matchmakers, with no forethought as to how they effect everything around them, as long as you get yours.
Learn to aim the 108’s, and maybe go play a 262 vs props correctly, then come back, because I can very easily see you haven’t.
The p51h is absolutely busted and should go to 6.7 with the game as it is currently, and half the US prop tree is laughably handheld to varying degrees, which is why the knockon effects of just “keep shoving stuff down” caused by the terrible addition of all-aspect attackers would be disastrous for every nation at prop tiers if it’s allowed to seep down that far, as it would cause said cracked props from the US and other nations to move down and start clubbing lower tier props they shouldn’t see in turn.
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Not in WT…
Gaijiin made the German guns so inaccurate, and the bullet drop so extreme (After the next nerf u have to point your guns at the opposite direction where your enemy is, to get a shot on him), and more than 50% of your bullets disappear at the moment, That there is no advantage for early jets.
Plus. Most of the german planes work best at 4000m + somehow, there is no gameplay at above 3100m. Boom and Zoom is made impossible by disappearing planes. Even huge Bomber disappear as close as 500m…
Capture a zone… You’re forced to fly slow circles… Hmmmmm… Great in a non dog fighter plane.
Learn how to fly, man… Looks like you haven’t yet.
EDIT:
As I first flew the Ho 229 and encountered a lonely P-51 the one and only thing he tried, was to dogfight me…
He had the better acceleration, climb rate roll rate… But he tried to perform a brainless dogfight…
And he lost. Why? Because dogfighting does not require much skill if you are in a turnfiihter…
I’m not a very good pilot, and I´m fairly new to this game.
But most thing I see by US mains is brainless entering a fur ball (no matter if they are outnumbered 3 times or more) and start their circles…
Yes, you would never do such things in balanced planes… But as long as you are way OP, it works every time…
On the other hand, as soon as someone asks for some balance, you start crying. “Nooooo, no balancing!!! I need to be OP cos I can´t use my brain to win a fight.”
Even if your planes are still OP…
And that’s sad… because I really think, there are some good US main Pilots out there. But I never saw one until today… It´s all the plane, not the pilot, I can say about 99% of all US pilots.
And one single TestFlight in a P-51 is really enough to prove that.
Ok… Challenge accepted…
For the reason, since earlier this week, German planes are unplayable, I start playing Murica from today on.
If I get worse, you are right.
If I’m getting better, I’m right.
I tell u next week, how it is working out…
Here is a Screenshot of my Murica tech tree… II never touched it, because I wanted it to be me doing the kills, not the plane…
I have one question for you if you are so all knowing what was the Me 262 design to fight. Bombers or fighters cause I know which one and I know which one slaughter the Me 262.
Congratulations, war thunder doesn’t replicate real life. Which is why we have heavy bombers like the Lancaster that should only ever be used in large formations at night flying solo in broad daylight.
Also, ME-262 would have 100% be used Vs fighters, but by the time they entered the war, the luftwaffe had been mostly crushed and the Germans were fighting a desperate defence against the USAF/RAF bomber commands.
I could make the argument that the Meteors should only be shooting down V1s and not fighting any jet using that logic
Hitler wanted the 262 to be a strike bomber.
what does that mean
There are at least two threads extensively discussing the BR of the Me 262 and the intended roles.
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I wrote in one of them why the implemented adversary (Meteor F. 3 late) looks like a non-WW 2 aircraft - at least i was unable to find any sources which confirmed the usage of them.
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The Meteor F. 1 was about 200 kmph slower than the Me 262 A-1a, the improved aerodynamics might pushed the early F. 3s a little bit higher, but the first aircraft had the same engines.
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The sole purpose of a jet with superior speed is to engage and disengage at will. If you analyze the kill claims of the leading 262 pilots you find out that they mostly claimed escorting P-51s whilst rookie pilots focused on bombers.
From another thread regarding the 262
Correct.
This explains also the rather high reported combat losses - most of them came allegedly from bomber pilots. They tried to make fighter pilots out of them, so whole squadrons were “retrained” to perform fighter duties; you can identify these losses by the suffix “(J)” in various loss lists - a lot of them from KG 54 (J); KG means bomber squadron/group or Kampfgeschwader.
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At the moment i can say yes
You wanna play Leopard with better armored and have three of them with benefits of better air tree? you go play Sweden
Oh sightly worse ground tree but better air and support vehicles Italian can offer that too
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