Germany suffers and is not worth grinding at the moment

It’s no secret that Germany is struggling in War Thunder’s endgame. While the country still holds its own in the tank department, its naval and air forces are in a much worse position.

Naval Forces: The Lack of Real Endgame Battleships

Germany has very few options when it comes to endgame warships. The Scharnhorst, Bayern, and Sachsen are among the more powerful ships, but the Sachsen is really just part of the Bayern-class and doesn’t count as a true “endgame battleship.” It’s especially frustrating when you consider how other nations, like the USA, have access to much stronger ships. Now, Japan has even received 410mm guns, making the German fleet appear even weaker.

The question remains: when will we finally get the Tirpitz or Bismarck? These ships are some of the most iconic and formidable from World War II, but they’re still absent from the game. The lack of true, large battleships in Germany’s lineup is a major issue, one that leaves players disappointed. The upcoming introduction of submarines may address this somewhat, but it doesn’t fix the core problem in the endgame.

On the British side, the situation isn’t much better. The UK has a limited number of ships in the tree, leaving them with fewer endgame options as well. The lack of powerful warships for the British nation makes them struggle to compete at the higher tiers, where they often find themselves outgunned by the larger, more heavily armed ships of other nations.

Aircraft: Germany Falling Behind

The bigger issue, however, is that Germany is woefully behind in the air. While other nations like the USA, the Soviet Union, Japan, and Sweden field some of the best jets in the game, Germany’s top-tier jets are struggling to keep up. The Me 262, once Germany’s best jet, is now outclassed by newer jets and must face off against the likes of the Sabre and MiG-15 in uptiers – planes equipped with guided missiles and superior performance.

Germany faces a massive problem in ranks 4 and 5, as most of the German aircraft are simply outclassed and can’t compete with their opponents, who are flying much more modern jets. The Me 262, for example, was never designed to go up against the modern jets or missile-equipped planes of today’s meta, but it’s now forced to at a BR of 8.0. While it can still perform in a downtier, in a full uptier, it gets utterly destroyed, while its opponents, with missiles and better manoeuvrability, can outmatch it easily.

From rank 5.0 up to the Me 163 at rank 8.0, Germany has no truly competitive aircraft. It’s not until the Me 163 that things start to look up again. Now, I know some might say this is a “skill issue,” but I’m confident that many German pilots are facing the same issues. For example, with the CL-13 B at rank 9.0, I regularly get 6-8 kills, and I have no trouble dealing with other jets or prop planes, especially in the Spitfire F.24. However, the gap in performance is so vast that even a skilled pilot can’t do much to bridge it.

Solutions: The Eurofighter and Proper BR Adjustment

The solution is simple: give Germany the Eurofighter and aircraft at a clean 13.7 BR. The German planes, many of which suffered from the “we’re losing WWII, just cobble something together and hope it holds” design mentality, need to be moved down a BR bracket. Particularly the Ho 229, which is so underwhelming that it struggles to get more than 2 kills, even when played optimally.

It’s time to make Germany competitive again, both on the water and in the air. If we finally get the Eurofighter and properly adjust the BR of the German aircraft, we’ll be able to hold our own in the higher ranks once more. Until then, Germany remains one of the weaker nations in the endgame.

What do you think about Germany’s current situation in War Thunder? What ships and planes would you like to see added?

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The german ground forces tree is quite frankly excellent the entire way through, and is currently one of the strongest nations at top tier.

The rest of the ground tree is also extremely competitive, at every BR bracket.

Cant comment on naval

In air, the first 262 is one of the lowest BR jets. You cant really go any lower without it curbstomping everything. And frankly its fine at 7.0, the only downside is the guns are low velocity as they were designed more to shoot down hordes of B17s instead of going after fighters. In terms of flight performance the aircraft is fine, early jets from other nations like the F80 and Meteor also were not designed to fight sabres so that argument is moot.

The higher BR 262s do kinda suck though (except the squadron one).

Mid tier german jets are fine, the CL13s are good among others.

Top tier german air is a bit bare though, I agree.

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Step aside British suffer folk, we got a Germany suffers in town

Here is an actual effective example of how to get Germany things they could benefit from:

(But obviously don’t expect to see things like the H-39 until we have much more advanced naval)

I also love how you’ve just omitted that Leopard 2A7 and co are dominant, not to mention all the other tiers that Germany can dominate in ground battles. You get no where with such obvious biases.

And please, for the love of god - you better be judging the Ho 229 in ground battles, only. Edit: Actually on this point, I’m fully in agree-ance to send it down-BR for air battles.

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Take your 2a7 and give me Eurofighter

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Be careful what you ask for - they might botch it like they’ve done with the SU-27/J-11.

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Doubt it , it is not russian

I mean naval as whole is kind of the Ugly child , i hate to tell you this but every nation with the blue water fleet tree need more stuff and naval need improvement overall

True , germany air as of now is just sad , they def need a new competitive fighter that isn’t the ICE or them mig 29G

This is impossible , cause gaijin

Good suggestion ngl but i feel like you should have named the thread in a different way. Cause germany is def not the only nation suffering in those apartment. At least their ground is strong i guess

I don’t care, everyone who responds to the fact that Germany is not given jets is because they have 2a7, so take it away, take it away and stop whining about it.

I don’t care whether they nerf him or not, I want him because it will really be the top that many people have asked for and were waiting for. Like me

The jet I was most looking forward to in this game for years was the SU-27 (well J-11) - but its implementation has left me not even wanting to use it at all. Just saying that it’s good to not build your hopes up for the Eurofighter, no matter how good it may be IRL. I’m not saying you shouldn’t get more jets at top-tier because you have the 2A7, I’m saying that you should appreciate that Germany really isn’t suffering more than any other nation in this game. To say that it is not worth grinding (see: title of this topic) is silly. The German tree offers great experiences in air/ground/naval - just not at all BRs, which is just like every other nation in the game. Hence the non-suffering part.

But it still does not have a top jet, as well as an adequate attack aircraft or multiroll jet. I always either received a patch later or received nothing at all.

So, you just want it even if it’s worse than f15e, su34, gripen or only want it if auto wins all fights ?

Still better than ASSTA1, Su22M4 and F-4F ICE

I totally agree.

I just did a TestFlight in a P-51.

I lost all the respect to the American Pilots. These .50 cal´s are so OP, I thought it must be a joke.
And then there was the flight performance… It’s just a no-brainer plane.

Respect to all German pilots out there! Every US kill should count at least twice.

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The biggest issue is there isn’t really anything they can get besides the Eurofighter. Which might be a while until it’s added.

I can’t get myself to play Germany anymore when other nations have the same + better on ground, and air is a complete clownshow with the F-4 still not replaced and stuck with that for another update but meanwhile US gets even more superior jets, plus all the available jets and premium jets are pretty crap tier and nothing is good to grind with.

No reason why they should not have gotten the Dutch F-16s instead of giving it to France of all things who already has the Mirage.

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They killed Germany on September 11th 2019 with their “adjustments to the German Ground Tech Tree”. (Which led to the removal of a few great Tanks, one of them being the iconic Maus.)

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💀💀 You seriously think that F-35 will be added for Germany first rather than USA? Hell, even the game isn’t ready for it yet.

Tell that to the 2S38 they added to Russia.

Or the F-117 Nighthawk for the US.