Germany suffers and is not worth grinding at the moment

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Not in WT…

Gaijiin made the German guns so inaccurate, and the bullet drop so extreme (After the next nerf u have to point your guns at the opposite direction where your enemy is, to get a shot on him), and more than 50% of your bullets disappear at the moment, That there is no advantage for early jets.

Plus. Most of the german planes work best at 4000m + somehow, there is no gameplay at above 3100m. Boom and Zoom is made impossible by disappearing planes. Even huge Bomber disappear as close as 500m…

Capture a zone… You’re forced to fly slow circles… Hmmmmm… Great in a non dog fighter plane.

Learn how to fly, man… Looks like you haven’t yet.

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As I first flew the Ho 229 and encountered a lonely P-51 the one and only thing he tried, was to dogfight me…

He had the better acceleration, climb rate roll rate… But he tried to perform a brainless dogfight…

And he lost. Why? Because dogfighting does not require much skill if you are in a turnfiihter…

I’m not a very good pilot, and I´m fairly new to this game.
But most thing I see by US mains is brainless entering a fur ball (no matter if they are outnumbered 3 times or more) and start their circles…

Yes, you would never do such things in balanced planes… But as long as you are way OP, it works every time…

On the other hand, as soon as someone asks for some balance, you start crying. “Nooooo, no balancing!!! I need to be OP cos I can´t use my brain to win a fight.”
Even if your planes are still OP…

And that’s sad… because I really think, there are some good US main Pilots out there. But I never saw one until today… It´s all the plane, not the pilot, I can say about 99% of all US pilots.

And one single TestFlight in a P-51 is really enough to prove that.

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Ok… Challenge accepted…
For the reason, since earlier this week, German planes are unplayable, I start playing Murica from today on.
If I get worse, you are right.
If I’m getting better, I’m right.

I tell u next week, how it is working out…

Here is a Screenshot of my Murica tech tree… II never touched it, because I wanted it to be me doing the kills, not the plane…

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I have one question for you if you are so all knowing what was the Me 262 design to fight. Bombers or fighters cause I know which one and I know which one slaughter the Me 262.

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Congratulations, war thunder doesn’t replicate real life. Which is why we have heavy bombers like the Lancaster that should only ever be used in large formations at night flying solo in broad daylight.

Also, ME-262 would have 100% be used Vs fighters, but by the time they entered the war, the luftwaffe had been mostly crushed and the Germans were fighting a desperate defence against the USAF/RAF bomber commands.

I could make the argument that the Meteors should only be shooting down V1s and not fighting any jet using that logic

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Hitler wanted the 262 to be a strike bomber.

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what does that mean

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There are at least two threads extensively discussing the BR of the Me 262 and the intended roles.

  • I wrote in one of them why the implemented adversary (Meteor F. 3 late) looks like a non-WW 2 aircraft - at least i was unable to find any sources which confirmed the usage of them.

  • The Meteor F. 1 was about 200 kmph slower than the Me 262 A-1a, the improved aerodynamics might pushed the early F. 3s a little bit higher, but the first aircraft had the same engines.

  • The sole purpose of a jet with superior speed is to engage and disengage at will. If you analyze the kill claims of the leading 262 pilots you find out that they mostly claimed escorting P-51s whilst rookie pilots focused on bombers.

From another thread regarding the 262

Correct.

This explains also the rather high reported combat losses - most of them came allegedly from bomber pilots. They tried to make fighter pilots out of them, so whole squadrons were “retrained” to perform fighter duties; you can identify these losses by the suffix “(J)” in various loss lists - a lot of them from KG 54 (J); KG means bomber squadron/group or Kampfgeschwader.

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At the moment i can say yes
You wanna play Leopard with better armored and have three of them with benefits of better air tree? you go play Sweden
Oh sightly worse ground tree but better air and support vehicles Italian can offer that too

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It does mean, you don’t need much skill at all to get kills in an American OP plane…

Right now, I unlocked the P-36G with my crew at LvL 3…

And all I can say, it’s a freaking UFO.

The first thing you notice is the ridiculous high climb rate and acceleration. It’s a rocket, not a plane.
Next thing is the turn rate. It turns on a dime.

Then there is 1 thing I can’t understand.
You get hit. And many hits later, your wing is deep yellow. But there is no significant change in the flight performance of the plane. It still flies well, and you just continue fighting, as there was nothing that just happened.

Your engine gets hit, and you’re deep in the enemy territory… NP. You are able to fly back to your airfield for a save landing…

The “Guns”… I never shreddered bombers that easy at this BR…

And yeah… It flies like a sports car…

You just don’t have to fear any enemy. You see a group of fighters? Let’s go… easy prey. No matter if you are at low or high altitude. You just don’t need to think about it.

That’s how it feels compared to a german plane.

Just brainless

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Screenshot to prove the crew level:

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Regarding the P-38 G (hidden as imho slightly off-topic):
  1. It sits at BR 2.7 in RB and is well known as good climber and very good turner. Iirc the French versions were the only allied aircraft (used in large numbers) having a positive K/D vs the LW in the Battle of France - even the Spits and Hurricane of the BEF got clapped as they did not have 100 octane fuel from the US at this time.
  2. Various hits and just getting yellow wings is a result of getting hit by 7,7 - 8 mm - a single 20mm shell kills them.
  3. The ability to rtb with a damaged engine is based on having a radial engine - liquid cooled fighters are faster but more fragile and don’t like any hits in cooling systems.
  4. The ability to continue fighting even when damaged is a result of mouse aim & instructor.
  5. Killing / shredding bombers is a result of US 0.50 cals and rather fragile bombers at this BR.
  6. Being a good turner is relative - the 109 Es turn quite nice too, but turnfights are ill advise in general if you can play energy. I admit that energy trapping a P-36 is tricky due to their low stall speed but doable. Btw - A Ki-27 flies circles around a P-36 and outclimbs it.
  7. Altitude - the P-36 sucks at 4-5 km as the engine had no supercharger, above 3 km the planes loses engine power - like most USSR planes. No engine power = no speed, no speed = lack of turn.

I am not sure that your feelings can be backed up by facts.

  • The 109 E-4 at BR 3.0 is the far better plane and can engage and disengage at will due to way superior speed and climb; same as the identical JP premium which is a preferred seal clubber plane.
  • The 2.3 Bf 109 E-1 outclimbs any P-36 by a substantial margin and is way faster, the 2.7 Bf 109 F-1 outclasses any P-36 regarding speed and climb.
  • The major downside of those 109s is either the lack of cannons or the limited combat range of the 20 mm MG/FF - with the 7,92 mm MG 17 you need multiple passes to kill an enemy aircraft - you need patience.
  • On top of that you have to manage water and oil temperature with MEC, otherwise you cook your engine.

The key to fight good turning aircraft was always to drain their energy with BnZ/BnR tactics and pushing them low and slow which kills their ability to regain energy with a dive - no speed = no turn.

In other words: You have to use the same tactics like fighting JP planes.

Whilst i am very cautious with the term OP, i agree that at very low BRs we have a lot of undertiered US/USSR props - wait until you fly the P-39 N-0 at the same BR of 2.7.

  • Together with the USSR premium version (at 3.0) one of the most undertiered props in the game - and a preferred seal clubber aircraft.

  • I mean the low alt performance (below 4-5 km) is good enough to play up to 4.7 - and the USSR used them due to their excellent low alt performance until the end of WW 2.

But, as a relegating factor, a lot of US aircraft need some experience to make them work. As soon US fighters need an altitude and speed advantage to gain kills outside head-ons most players struggle - and subsequently their BRs are lower than if they would be just based on actual aircraft performance.

A related topic:

I am not sure why you focus just on US aircraft - the combat effectiveness of USSR planes is way more concerning as their usually also way too low BRs were in the past always “excusable” due to the their low ammo count and lackluster performance of their 20 mm ShVak cannons - it was not unusual to survive multiple hits without getting substantially damaged.

But since Real Shatter 3.0 one or two hits are enough to kill a fighter. Together with the ballistic changes the ShVaks are easy to use and aim and very hard hitting cannons. So it is not unusual to see in Air RB guys with 3-5 kills with 110/120 cannon ammo without reloading.

If you then consider that most prop fight shappen below 4 km and USSR fighters shines there the most it is rather disturbing to see a Yak-1 with 110 20 mm shells at BR 2.3 or the successor (which went into production after the 109 G-2 at BR 4.3) the Yak-1B at BR 3.0…

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It´s climb rate is 10.6 m/s. The climb rate of the 109 E3 is 17.6 m/s (+70%)
But the P-36G climbs way better!

If my 109 gets a yellow wing, it is extremely hard to control. The P-36G still flies like nothing happened… Even with a damaged tail section, there is no big change in flight performance…

Yeah, tell that all the FW 190 pilots out there… 1 hit at the special armored engine section and you are out…

Nope… I flew with stick in sim EC…

You can´t do that in any german plane at this BR…

It´s not even close to the P-36… I flew the BF 109 in all variants, and I can tell you for sure, the P-36 is an UFO

Just in the stat cards…

Because the first ones who cry, “No, Germany doesn’t need a buff, they need another nerf”, when someone writes, Germany suffers, are the US main pilots!!!

No matter how factual and correct these claims are.

The entire German tech tree is nerfed to the ground.
And since the update last week, things have gotten even worse.

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Agree… But that just shows how bad the USSR players are… The bad thing: The don´t even recognize it

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Good jokes lol. Only field where germany is really behind is air tree, but thats because of their history.

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Off-topic - related to P-36 G / 190s:

This is not correct.

Nobody is using stat cards here.

If you check the available data sheets you will find out that the 109 beats the P-36G up to 4 km by more than a minute, up to 5 km almost 90 seconds.

Optimize you climb speed.

Regarding Fw 190s:

Whilst i agree that gaijin implemented some time ago a stealth nerf of 190s which causes overheating with or without WEP (and all flight models do not consider the acknowledged agility) - the unique feature of 190s is the armored oil-cooler - but the armor value wont stop US 0.50 cals. My F-8 has additional armor covering the bottom of the engine.

I fly exclusively with HOTAS in Air RB - some planes behave better with wing damage, especially when the wing area is way larger. The P-36 G has a wing area ~30% larger than the 109 Es, so similar damage might cause more severe effects. Wing area 109 E-3 = 16 m², P-36-G = 21 m².

This might be true, but have in mind that those guys live in alternate realities.

They just haven’t realized how they are humiliating themselves with their claims. I mean every halfmost experienced player is aware of this - imho trying to discuss with them is a waste of time.

They are imho on par with US players (on average) regarding skill & self-awareness. Highly motivated, but also highly inexperienced. I killed a hell of Yak-3s trying to turnfight my B7A2…

As a final word:

I recommend trying to find a sweet spot within wt; a place where you can have fun & a challenge at the same time.

If there are things you don’t like - do something else.

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F-15C and F-16C, as a partner assistance, i.e. 52nd and 53rd fighter squadrons of the USAF, based in Spangdahlen/Bitburg…
i.e. for Gaijin, premium aircraft with appropriate camouflage, to the German tree, for 79.99 euros …
Otherwise there is not much choice…
At the highest lvl, one day in the future, everyone from the “western sector” will fly the F-35 anyway…

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Won’t happen. Gaijin doesnt do this.

Swiss F-18 or the Typhoon.

Considering the F-15E and its dominance at the moment. Typhoon could seriously come next major update. Its a reasonable counter for it

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The last thing you should do is spend money in the German tech tree

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but CleanupOnIL-8 already said

So why not choose another tech tree like japan

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Luftwaffe must be considered totally dead tbh

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You quote something in my name, I didn’t write…