I’m not saying Germany players should suffer, but just it is historically true Germany does not really have like the current top tier vehicles, their vehicles are a bit ahead of the time so I would think there will be another big update next year when Germany gets their Eurofighter alongside Chinese J10 and stuff alike, there will be a billion canard planes added together.
They aren’t really ahead of their time it’s that they didn’t really make anything until late 90’s/early 2000’s from the tornadoes
Good thing its a game and not IRL. USSR just got an aircraft from 2015. Which means they should be facing Typhoons with ASRAAM/IRIS-T and Meteor.
Has to based upon balance/airframe equivalents. F-15C MSIP II is about equal to the Typhoon DAs. Now of course US and USSR have to get better aircraft first typically at least 3 to 6 months before everyone else is then allowed to catch-up. But Typhoon DA could come in any update and it would be relatively balanced.
That’s kinda what I meant, since the East West Germany stuff do cause a bit of caos in the the techtree. This kind of meant Germany has loads of fighters slightly better the current top tier ones.
DA with early 120 and 9m/li could very easily be added next patch, btw how many aim 120 can the DA carry? Also if it has Captor M they will be forced to give APG-63v1 it’s proper range, and probably BOL, so it’s a win win
Well not really, Su27SM can fire R77-1s which will make them much more competent than they are now. Su35 from 1998 can fire ARH missiles, so it’s just for CAS. Su25SM3 is retarded though.
Yeah the tree is a bit of a mess, they might just have to cope with a gap
Its a bit of a debate at the moment possibly anywhere between 4/4 (IR/BVR) to 6/6. Probably 6/4 though.
Would likely be either Aim-120Bs or Aim-120C5s depending on what else is added at and around its BR
It will have Captor M, only radar the Typhoons ever used until Captor-E
BOL is more of a curse than a blessing. Maybe if the F-15 gets it, then it can be buffed back up to IRL levels and made usable.
No radar is modeled correctly. Blue Vixen has quite a bit of nerfed range as well
4/4 would get it at 13.3 probably, and 6/4 would most likely make it like 13.7, 6/6 won’t happen until maybe later EFT
If they do, there is a 4x amraam rail for F-15’s, though I’m not sure which one
4/4 would mean it would be 13.0. Thats less firepower than the F-15C has and its not 13.3
If it doesn’t have maws or HMD it would be 13.0 due to FM and it being able to use those IR very effective vs. f-15 and even the 16 in some cases
No MAWS thats a full production addition. But I think possibly HMS/HMD.
Then probably 13.3, because that kind of FM + HMD 9M would be insane, and 4 aim 120 gives it effective BVR
MAWS frontal field if anything, they certainly dont have the rear facing antenna.
But remember that the DAs everyone is proposing arent using the EJ200 engines, but RB.199-104s, the same engine as the Tornado ADV without thrust reverser
Ah, ok, then 13.0 makes sense
This variant:
This variant would be more like 13,7:
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2nd seems more 14.0 to me but idk what stuff is just there because whoever made suggestions liked it and what is there bc it will actually be fully implemented
Nvm, it is def 13.7 material, but the towed decoys could be difficult to implement
For loadouts, (ARH/IR) 4+4 / 6+2 are almost certain.
Then there is a somewhat obscure dual pylon for IRIS-T that could probably also carry ASRAAM and AIM-9, but that was never shown, so atleast for AIM-9 I would ignore it. The pylons are probably younger than the DAs anyways.
Lastly there is discussion if the inner 2 pylons can carry A-A missiles. The ones that usually carry fuel tanks probably can, but never done because fuel is more important IRL. This is a very similar situation to the Tornado IDS’ wing pylon carrying GBUs.
The innermost is more questionable, depending on mounting the missiles could interfer with the landing gear
Iris-t would hurt more than help since it would make DA 13.7 minimum. Just give it single pylon 9m, 13.3 or 13.0 will probably work. They should put it at 13.0 first and if it just starts to do really really well then they should bump it to 13.3
Oh I’m just saying that the dual pylon certainly shouldnt come until IRIS-T, and the missile itself certainly shouldnt come on EFT for some time.
IMO the 8 ‘known’ pylons with AMRAAM and AIM-9 should be fine, maybe extending to the wet pylons in a stretch