Germany needed Early Eurofighter now. or at least Polish or Dutch F16s

Extending to wet pylons should be reserved for the late EFT, but all depends on how it’ll do in game.

It should have been an EFT or an foreign nation F-16… Why not??

The ICE Phantom is a dead addition, I just cant put the sidewinders to any use. Its too slow and too bulky to engage in close combat. While the AIM120 missile truck role is locked behind a rank IV mod. How should you spade this outdated 10.7 airframe at top BR? Most matches are 13.0??? You can’t even strafe some pillboxes without getting AIM-120’ed. Everything is alot faster than you and flys circles while you’re in a basically 10.7 jet at 13.0 (unspaded).

Dunno why it was added that late, just to get lol farmed by F-16/15/Su-27/Gripen etc. Absolutly ******. Where were the suggestion, tech and community mods in this? ICE should have been added along with all the other late Phantoms from other nations.

Its too late, like always when Ger gets an air unit. How can you add a Phantom NOW?? And throw it into Gen4 meta?

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It’s pretty fast, not very agile but good enough, good radar, good missiles, it really isn’t that bad, it’s the best 12.7 rn

Well you look at J8F, it does have HMD but flares are so attractive to PL8s and PL12 is OK. I mean the speed retention is nonexsistent.

It’s all over British docs and some manuals, so I wouldn’t say it’s obscure, ASRAAM and 9L are certain ones to be used with the dual rack.

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oh, I was only referring to the images of the dual rack on a Spanish Euro. But if its in documents, even better

Ok, so you don’t have any F4, you didn’t play any F4, you didn’t play anything GER past 4.0, but you know all about ICE and how does it fit in BR13.0?

If it makes you feel better. I’d rather have TV-Guided bombs over Aim9Ls on my Intruder.

Also, literally anything Israeli on my Baz 2.0.

The problem is really going to be the US is, and to a point should be dominate in the Air at this point in time. Gaijin isn’t fair, and has never been. As an aside I for one will likely never quite forgive those Wehr-clowns in 190D-13s that both caused 1) the team lineups to be hidden from the other side and 2) Early leaving penalties because anything the F-86s showed up to ruin their literal farm-fest of everyone else they’d just quit.

There are a ton of ‘issues’, US get’s clapped in top tier ground battles and Gaijin is deadset against doing anything about it.

Just sayin’, it isn’t fair, but tin foil hat man says it’s like they are milking the USAF Whales due to the popularity of US airframes being worth way, way more $$$ than anyone elses.

And no, I don’t have the A-10 Premium. And yes, I’m way more of an Israeli main at this point in time.

I do agree, don’t play anything above 6.7 for Germany.

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They coulda just added an F-4F ICE with sparrows like they did with the Gripens lmao

“BuT thE ICe cOULndT fiRE SpArroWs!”

Because they never make adjustment for balance reasons…

EXACTLY!! you know what else couldn’t fire sparrows? the gripens

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The gripen a was tested with skyflashes, which I guess means the c can technically carry them. Better example would be the Italian f16a adf which never carried sparrows.

Or that russian Yak experimental jet which just had wooden mockups for several systems and ordnance. Everything is possible. Just not for Germany. ICE with Sparrows…along with all the other late gen Phantoms would have been great. A Phantom thrown into rank 4 jet combat not so much.

If it got them stock, then it would help. If they got them as a rank 3 mod it’s basically pointless. From what I’ve heard from people grinding the F3 late, the Skyflash STs are essentially dead weight most of the time, and it’s debatable whether it’s better to just stick with 4x Aim-9M to reduce weight and drag.

Though that being said, both as well as others, where appropriate, should get SARH stock, even just a limited number

AIM 7’s just cant compete with ARH, youd think it would help but they dont have the speed nor range to missile joust. They really are deadweight, even my R27ER arent great against ARH but they are better than sparrows.

Yeah, its one of the reasons i’m delaying the Tornado F3 stock grind (not that im rushing to research it either)

Especially as unlike the iCE, it doesnt even get IRCCM missile stock yet

Im just researching all the new aircraft and then not playing them. The current air meta needs to change. Either more consistent smaller teams or stock ARH for all.