If it doesn’t have maws or HMD it would be 13.0 due to FM and it being able to use those IR very effective vs. f-15 and even the 16 in some cases
No MAWS thats a full production addition. But I think possibly HMS/HMD.
Then probably 13.3, because that kind of FM + HMD 9M would be insane, and 4 aim 120 gives it effective BVR
MAWS frontal field if anything, they certainly dont have the rear facing antenna.
But remember that the DAs everyone is proposing arent using the EJ200 engines, but RB.199-104s, the same engine as the Tornado ADV without thrust reverser
Ah, ok, then 13.0 makes sense
This variant:
This variant would be more like 13,7:
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2nd seems more 14.0 to me but idk what stuff is just there because whoever made suggestions liked it and what is there bc it will actually be fully implemented
Nvm, it is def 13.7 material, but the towed decoys could be difficult to implement
For loadouts, (ARH/IR) 4+4 / 6+2 are almost certain.
Then there is a somewhat obscure dual pylon for IRIS-T that could probably also carry ASRAAM and AIM-9, but that was never shown, so atleast for AIM-9 I would ignore it. The pylons are probably younger than the DAs anyways.
Lastly there is discussion if the inner 2 pylons can carry A-A missiles. The ones that usually carry fuel tanks probably can, but never done because fuel is more important IRL. This is a very similar situation to the Tornado IDS’ wing pylon carrying GBUs.
The innermost is more questionable, depending on mounting the missiles could interfer with the landing gear
Iris-t would hurt more than help since it would make DA 13.7 minimum. Just give it single pylon 9m, 13.3 or 13.0 will probably work. They should put it at 13.0 first and if it just starts to do really really well then they should bump it to 13.3
Oh I’m just saying that the dual pylon certainly shouldnt come until IRIS-T, and the missile itself certainly shouldnt come on EFT for some time.
IMO the 8 ‘known’ pylons with AMRAAM and AIM-9 should be fine, maybe extending to the wet pylons in a stretch
Extending to wet pylons should be reserved for the late EFT, but all depends on how it’ll do in game.
It should have been an EFT or an foreign nation F-16… Why not??
The ICE Phantom is a dead addition, I just cant put the sidewinders to any use. Its too slow and too bulky to engage in close combat. While the AIM120 missile truck role is locked behind a rank IV mod. How should you spade this outdated 10.7 airframe at top BR? Most matches are 13.0??? You can’t even strafe some pillboxes without getting AIM-120’ed. Everything is alot faster than you and flys circles while you’re in a basically 10.7 jet at 13.0 (unspaded).
Dunno why it was added that late, just to get lol farmed by F-16/15/Su-27/Gripen etc. Absolutly ******. Where were the suggestion, tech and community mods in this? ICE should have been added along with all the other late Phantoms from other nations.
Its too late, like always when Ger gets an air unit. How can you add a Phantom NOW?? And throw it into Gen4 meta?
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It’s pretty fast, not very agile but good enough, good radar, good missiles, it really isn’t that bad, it’s the best 12.7 rn
Well you look at J8F, it does have HMD but flares are so attractive to PL8s and PL12 is OK. I mean the speed retention is nonexsistent.
It’s all over British docs and some manuals, so I wouldn’t say it’s obscure, ASRAAM and 9L are certain ones to be used with the dual rack.
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oh, I was only referring to the images of the dual rack on a Spanish Euro. But if its in documents, even better
Ok, so you don’t have any F4, you didn’t play any F4, you didn’t play anything GER past 4.0, but you know all about ICE and how does it fit in BR13.0?
If it makes you feel better. I’d rather have TV-Guided bombs over Aim9Ls on my Intruder.
Also, literally anything Israeli on my Baz 2.0.
The problem is really going to be the US is, and to a point should be dominate in the Air at this point in time. Gaijin isn’t fair, and has never been. As an aside I for one will likely never quite forgive those Wehr-clowns in 190D-13s that both caused 1) the team lineups to be hidden from the other side and 2) Early leaving penalties because anything the F-86s showed up to ruin their literal farm-fest of everyone else they’d just quit.
There are a ton of ‘issues’, US get’s clapped in top tier ground battles and Gaijin is deadset against doing anything about it.
Just sayin’, it isn’t fair, but tin foil hat man says it’s like they are milking the USAF Whales due to the popularity of US airframes being worth way, way more $$$ than anyone elses.
And no, I don’t have the A-10 Premium. And yes, I’m way more of an Israeli main at this point in time.
I do agree, don’t play anything above 6.7 for Germany.
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