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Ooooooo I see

Type 03 Chu-SAM Kai suggestion is up, base Type 03 suggestion still pending;

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This is what i thought originally too but gaijin butchered the mechanics so badly that even if the tansam correctly used DL the missiles would still fail to track
At this point i have no hope of chu-sam having good guidance either because ARH is too easy still…

Don’t forget how awfuly slow the chu-sam is. Even the mach 4.5 ARH missiles in the upcoming update are absolutely easy to counter, let alone this thing with mach 2.5…

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I would not that here isn’t any source for Type 03 missiles speed

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Updated with 100~ Indonesian and a few other Japanese and Thai vehicles. The Google Docs with the description of the included vehicles (including in-game ones) is linked here .


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Changes from previous version
  • National identifiers added to all vehicles. Thailand’s national identifier has been replaced by a crude sihlouette of of the Garuda which I made in paint-dot-net; postwar Japan’s national identifier has been replaced by the box-drawings-light-down (╷) unicode which is programmed to appear as a filled circle in-game (see line 45 in Unicode Characters for Warthunder).
  • Indonesian vehicles have been added to the MLRS, light vehicle-armored car, and SPG lines. The entire imported-Thai line has been shifted to where the medium-MBT line was, to allow for the imported-Thai line to be transformed into a combined imported-Thai-Indonesian line with the light tank line now intersecting with the other two lines at rank VII, due to the line up to that point having parts of Indonesia’s main fighting tanks, and again once more at rank VIII due to the AMX-13/105 marking the end of Indonesia’s tanks within the line.
  • The SPAA line has a split in rank IX and rank X that would allow for a selection of either IR-based SHORAD on the left line, or laser-based SOHRAD on the right line.
  • Multi-vehicle SAM folders have been redone to make them not take up as much space as before. They operate as normal folders, up until the multi-vehicle parts. The multi-vehicles are side-by-side with a + (plus) symbol between them to represent them being a package deal. However, some of the systems work with multiple SAM, such as Indonesian’s Mistral Coordination Post functioning with both their Komodo-based Atlas systems and their Sherpa-based MPCV systems, and so both vehicles would appear alongside each other. My thinking is that you would research the Komodo Atlas and the Sherpa MPCV, or the Komodo LML-NG and the VAMTAC MMS, and then research the radar system for both of them; the Unimog MCP and the ControlMaster 200, respectively; which would then grant you the option to select either of the launcher vehicles for their respective radar vehicles. Since Gaijin has to model the launcher vehicles that fire control vehicles spawn separately from the solo vehicles, as seen in the Type 81 (C) and the Type 81 (C) (TEL) vehicle being separate vehicles in-game, that’s the reason why the launcher vehicles appear twice in their solo versions and then their TEL versions.
  • Following vehicles added:
    • Imperial Japan:
    • Special type 2 launch Ka-Mi, prototype (Rank IV, 5.0 BR, Premium)
    • Type 97 armored car Te-Ke, prototype (Rank III, 4.3-5.0 BR, Premium)
    • Type 95 light tank Ha-Go, Manchurian version with radio (Rank III, 4.0-4.7 BR, Premium)
    • Type 97 medium tank Chi-Ha kai, 11th tank regiment (with log armor) (Rank V, 6.3 BR, Premium)
    • Type 1 medium tank Chi-He, prototype (Rank V, 6.7 BR, Premium)
    • Postwar Japan:
    • Type 74 self-propelled 105 mm howitzer, prototype (V Rank, 7.0 BR, Premium)
    • Type 99 self-propelled 155 mm howitzer, prototype (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, Premium)
    • Type 75 self-propelled multiple 130 mm rocket launcher (B), prototype version would replace it in premiums (VII Rank, 11.0 BR, MLRS Line)
    • Thailand:
    • Main tank type M60 A1, with Blazer ERA (IX Rank, 12.7 BR, Premium)
    • Indonesia:
    • Chi-Ha medium tank (IV Rank, 5.3 BR, Premium)
    • Humber Mk. IV armored car, earlier version with smoke launchers but no anti-aircraft machine gun (V Rank, 6.7 BR, Premium)
    • Humber Mk. IV armored car, later version with anti-aircraft machine gun but no smoke launchers (V Rank, 6.7 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in Humber/Humfox Folder)
    • Humfox armored car (V Rank, 6.7 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in Humber/Humfox Folder)
    • M8 light armored car, no heavy machine gun (IV Rank, 5.0 BR, Premium)
    • LVT(A)-4 amphibious tank (V Rank, 6.0 BR, Premium)
    • M3A1 Stuart light tank (V Rank, 6.3 BR, Imported-Thai-Indonesian Line in M3A1/A3 Stuart Folder)
    • M3A3 Stuart light tank (V Rank, 6.7 BR, Imported-Thai-Indonesian Line in M3A1/A3 Stuart Folder)
    • M4A3(105) HVSS Sherman medium tank (V Rank, 7.3 BR, Imported-Thai-Indonesian Line)
    • M4A3(105) HVSS Sherman medium tank, with dozer (V Rank, 7.3 BR, Premium)
    • Anoa 2 armored personnel carrier (VII Rank, 10.0-11.0 BR, Premium)
    • BTR-80A armored personnel carrier (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in BTR-80A/VN-1 Folder)
    • Cobra armored personnel carrier (X Rank, 13.7 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in Cobra/Type 24 WFV Line)
    • SBS light tank (VI Rank, 9.0-10.0 BR, Premium)
    • SBS light tank, with R-Han 122 MLRS (VI Rank, 9.0-10.0 BR, Premium)
    • Komodo light armored car, with CPWS (IX Rank, 12.7-13.0 BR, Premium)
    • P2 Tiger light armored car (VII Rank, 10.0-11.0 BR, Premium)
    • Saladin Mk. 2 armored car (VI Rank, 9.0 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in Saladin Folder)
    • Saladin Mk. 2 armored car, retrofit with diesel engine (VI Rank, 9.0 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in Saladin Folder)
    • EBR model 1951 armored reconnaissance car (VI Rank, 9.3 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line)
    • V-150 armored reconnaissance car (VII Rank, 11.0 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in V-150 Folder)
    • Marder 1 A2 infantry fighting vehicle (VIII Rank, 11.0 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in Marder 1 A2/A3 Folder)
    • Marder 1 A3 infantry fighting vehicle (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in Marder 1 A2/A3 Folder)
    • BVP-2 infantry fighting vehicle (IX Rank, 12.7 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in BVP-2/3F Folder)
    • BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicle (IX Rank, 13.0 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in BVP-2/3F Folder)
    • BTR-4M infantry fighting vehicle (X Rank, 13.0-14.0 BR, Armored Car-Autocannon Line in BTR-3E1/4M Folder)
    • P8 light tank (X Rank, 14.3-15.0 BR, Premium)
    • AMX-13/75 light tank (VII Rank, 11.0 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in AMX-13/75 Folder)
    • AMX-13/75 SM1 light tank (VII Rank, 11.0 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in AMX-13/75 Folder)
    • AMX-13/105 light tank (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in AMX-13/105 Folder)
    • AMX-13/105 SM1 light tank (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in AMX-13/105 Folder)
    • AMX-13/105 SM1 light tank, with 105 mm mle G1 (VIII Rank, 12.0 BR, Premium)
    • AMX-13/105 Retrofit light tank (VIII Rank, 12.3 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in AMX-13/105 Folder)
    • AMX-13/105 Retrofit light tank, technological demonstrator for Indo Defense 2014 expo (VIII Rank, 12.7 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in AMX-13/105 Folder)
    • AMX-10PAC-90 amphibious tank (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line)
    • PT-76B amphibious tank, earlier version without heavy machine gun (VI Rank, 9.3 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in PT-76B Folder)
    • PT-76B amphibious tank, later version with heavy machine gun (VI Rank, 9.3 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in PT-76B Folder)
    • PT-76(M) amphibious tank, earlier Nimda modification as partial PT-2000 upgrade (VII Rank, 11.0 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in PT-76(M) Folder)
    • PT-76(M) amphibious tank, later PT Lumindo modification (VII Rank, 11.7 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in PT-76(M) Folder)
    • Scorpion 90 light tank, earlier version (IX Rank, 12.3-12.7 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in Scorpion/Tarantula Folder)
    • Scorpion 90 light tank, mid(?) version with improved optics (IX Rank, 12.3-12.7 BR, Premium)
    • Scorpion 90 light tank, later version with LWS (IX Rank, 12.3-12.7 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in Scorpion/Tarantula Folder)
    • Tarantula fire support vehicle (IX Rank, 12.3-12.7 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in Scorpion/Tarantula Folder)
    • Anoa fire support vehicle, initial Badak concept prototype (IX Rank, 12.3-12.7 BR, Premium)
    • Bee fire support vehicle, initial Badak prototype (IX Rank, 12.7-13.0 BR, Premium)
    • Badak fire support vehicle, second Badak prototype (IX Rank, 12.7-13.0 BR, Premium)
    • Badak fire support vehicle, earlier version (IX Rank, 12.7-13.0 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in Badak FSV Folder)
    • Badak fire support vehicle, later version with altered armor profile (IX Rank, 12.7-13.0 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line in Badak FSV Folder)
    • Marder Medium RI medium tank (X Rank, 13.0-14.0 BR, Premium)
    • MMWT medium tank, FNSS 2017 IDEF expo initial prototype (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Supplemental)
    • MMWT medium tank, Pindad 2017 parade prototype (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Supplemental)
    • Harimau medium tank, Pindad 2018 Indo Defense expo prototype (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Supplemental)
    • Harimau medium tank, Pindad 2018 parade prototype (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Supplemental)
    • Kaplan MT medium tank, FNSS 2019 IDEF expo prototype (XI Rank, 14.7-15.0 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line)
    • Kaplan MT medium tank, FNSS 2021 new hull prototype (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Supplemental)
    • Harimau medium tank, Pindad 2022 Indo Defense expo prototype (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Supplemental)
    • Harimau medium tank, Pindad 2022 new hull prototype (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Supplemental)
    • Harimau medium tank, 2023 mass production (XI Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Light Tank-Big Gun Line)
    • Leopard 2A4 main battle tank (X Rank, 15.0-15.3 BR, MBT Line)
    • Leopard 2RI main battle tank (XI Rank, 16.0 BR, Thai-Indonesian MBT Line)
    • AMX PRA self-propelled gun (VII Rank, 10.3 BR, SPH Line)
    • M109A4 self-propelled gun (VII Rank, 10.3 BR, SPH Line)
    • CAESAR Mk. 1 self-propelled gun (VII Rank, 10.0-10.3 BR, Premium)
    • BM-14-17 MLRS (V Rank, 8.0-9.0 BR, MLRS Line)
    • RM-51 MLRS, earlier version atop Prega V3S chassis with T 912-1 110 hp engine (VI Rank, 9.0-10.0 BR, Premium)
    • RM-51 MLRS, later version atop Reo M35A2 chassis with LDT 465 134 hp engine (VI Rank, 9.0-10.0 BR, MLRS Line)
    • RM-70 MLRS (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, Premium)
    • RM-70 Vampire MLRS (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, MLRS Line in RM-70/PHL-90B Folder)
    • TAPIR MLRS (VI Rank, 9.0-10.0 BR, Premium)
    • PHL-90B MLRS (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, MLRS Line in RM-70/PHL-90B Folder)
    • R-Han 122 MLRS (VI Rank, 9.0-10.0 BR, MLRS Line in R-Han 122 Folder)
    • R-Han 122B MLRS (VI Rank, 9.0-10.0 BR, MLRS Line in R-Han 122 Folder)
    • Astros II Mk. 6 MLRS (VIII Rank, 11.3 BR, MLRS Line)
    • GAZ-69 car with recoilless rifle (VII Rank, 10.0-10.3 BR, Premium)
    • Jeep CJ-7 car with LRAC 89 mm mle F1 (VII Rank, 10.0-10.3 BR, Premium)
    • Land Rover Defender truck with twin cal. .50 M2 HB guns (IV Rank, 5.7 BR, SPAA Line in Defender/M15 Folder)
    • Dodge WC-51 truck with Type 96 25 mm gun (V Rank, 7.3 BR, SPAA Line)
    • M35 truck with M55 anti-aircraft system (VI Rank, 9.0 BR, SPAA Line)
    • Isuzu NPS 75 truck with Type 85 23 mm gun (VII Rank, 9.7 BR, SPAA Line)
    • Aster air defense system
      • Land Rover Huzar with Poprad system, solo (IX Rank, 13.3 BR, IR SAM Line in Dzhigit/Aster Folder)
      • Land Rover Huzar with MMSR radar, TADS (IX Rank, 13.7 BR, IR SAM Line in Dzhigit/Aster Folder)
      • Land Rover Huzar with Poprad system, TEL (IX Rank, 13.7 BR, IR SAM Line in Dzhigit/Aster Folder)
    • MMBA Mistral air defense system
      • Komodo with ATLAS system, solo (X Rank, 13.7 BR, IR SAM Line in Mistral Folder)
      • Renault Sherpa with MPCV system, solo (X Rank, 14.0 BR, IR SAM Line in Mistral Folder)
      • Unimog U5000 with MCP fire control system, TADS (X Rank, 14.3 BR, IR SAM Line in Mistral Folder)
      • Komodo with ATLAS system, TEL (X Rank, 14.3 BR, IR SAM Line in Mistral Folder)
      • Renault Sherpa with MPCV system, TEL (X Rank, 14.3 BR, IR SAM Line in Mistral Folder)
    • ForceShield air defense system
      • Land Rover Defender with LML system, solo (X Rank, 14.0-14.3 BR, Premium in Defender LML Folder)
      • VAMTAC with LML-NG system, solo (X Rank, 14.0-14.3 BR, Laser SAM Line in Starstreak Folder)
      • VAMTAC with MMS system, solo (X Rank, 14.3-14.7 BR, Laser SAM Line in Starstreak Folder)
      • TG MIL TGS with CONTROLMaster 200 radar, TADS ( and X Rank, 15.0 BR, Premium in Defender LML Folder)
      • Land Rover Defender with LML system, TEL (X Rank, 15.0 BR, Premium in Defender LML Folder)
      • VAMTAC with LML-NG system, TEL (X Rank, 15.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in Starstreak Folder)
      • VAMTAC with MMS system, TEL (X Rank, 15.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in Starstreak Folder)
    • Rbs 70 air defense systems
      • Land Rover Defender with rbs 70 system, solo (IX Rank, 13.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in Rbs 70 Folder)
      • Komodo with rbs 70NG system, solo (IX Rank, 13.3 BR, Laser SAM Line in Rbs 70 Folder)
      • Komodo with Giraffe 1X radar, TADS (IX Rank, 13.3-14.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in Rbs 70 Folder)
      • Komodo with rbs 70NG system, TEL (IX Rank, 13.3-14.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in Rbs 70 Folder)
    • QW3 air defense systems
      • P6 ATAV with QW3 system (X Rank, 13.0-14.0 BR, Premium)
      • Land Rover Defender with QW3 system, solo (X Rank, 13.0-14.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in QW3 Folder)
      • TD2000B fire control vehicle, TADS (X Rank, 13.0-14.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in QW3 Folder)
      • TD2000B launch vehicle, TEL (X Rank, 13.0-14.0 BR, Laser SAM Line in QW3 Folder)
        Following vehicles renamed:
    • Ka-Chi (Yokosuka) → Ka-Chi (P)
    • Ha-Go Manchurian → Ha-Go Manchu
    • BTR-3 90LP → BTR-3E1 90LP
    • M41A3 MK4A1 → M41A3 90LP
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