South Korean Ground Forces Tech Tree

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They complement each other with enough additions to be considered a more full tree

Except for the fact that Thailand and Indonesia already does that job arguably better than SK ever can and that’s not discounting the other ASEAN nations like the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore or even Vietnam

Culturally they are similar

Not an argument. Even if it is then why have an independent Japanese TT at all and lump JP with China since Korea is culturally similar to Japan the same way Japan is culturally similar is to China or Korea is culturally similar to China

Geographically they are close

Australia, Canada, South Africa and India in the UK TT makes that point mute

Both are nato allies and in extension allies with each other

Their “allies” in the same way the Third Reich and the Soviet Union are “allies” during the early second world war so no they are not really allies to each other, only sharing the same enemies and allies and that’s increasingly put under scrutiny

Similar vehicles in parts due to war leftovers, post-war imports & alliances

Only the DPRK used grandfathered/captured Japanese equipment at large scale, SK in contrast overwhelmingly used leftover US equipment. SK used more British equipment than JP equipment

Korea was occupied by Japan during ww2

I would not use that argument if I was you and I’m just going to leave it at that

also there’s also one thing you forget to factor in

SK never used any Japanese made weapons postwar and vice versa which I already touched on. And no whatever SK made weapons that the ASEAN nations operate do not count since they aren’t under the Japanese flag and they are for the export market anyways. In contrast the majority of ASEAN nations used Japanese built weapons and equipment even post war. The Philippines for example is acquiring Japanese built destroyers and Hueys. Vietnam used Japanese built COIN aircraft in the form of the FD-25 as well as acquiring basically a unique sub-variant of the Aso class Patrol Boat for the Vietnamese Coast Guard. And that’s not including Thailand or Indonesia which is self-explanatory.

Would also like to add that (Most) of the ASEAN nations has just as strong of a tie if not stronger to Japan militarily than to SK. Indonesia and North Vietnam in particular had a significant portion of their Militaries having member that are ex IJA/IJN holdouts & ex Kampetai operatives in them. South Korea in contrast booted any high ranking Japanese official the second when the time is right for that

Even with Thailand they’re going to be lacking as they have 1 additional top tier MBT to add

Refer back to the first point

Israel being a bad notion as an independent tree

The Hungarian, Norwegian Air Subtree, Indian and Finnish Subtrees more generally are bad notions of subtree so you aren’t proving anything here. Also the main reason why Israel is it’s own TT to begin with is because the player base got fed up with every Israeli vehicle being locked behind a paywall even if it’s lowkey funny. And the way things are going there’s a decent chance that India could get the same treatment. What I’m saying here is even if SK is added as a subtree of Japan it will never work, won’t last long as a subtree and end up being an independent TT anyways due to backlash.

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Lot of these are petty excuses, but I’ll answer the more ‘reasonable’ ones.

If you know anything about asian history, Japanese are a break-away from Koreans and they share lot of influence. You can even see it in the grammatical and aesthetical choice similarity. This point would be too long to continue, but you saying “no they aren’t” is a blatant lie.

They are allies. Period. Not even in the way USSR and NSG was, because they don’t plan to go to war with each other and infact during recent times have tried warming up relations over the security climate in asia. They also do extensive cultural exchange & trade with each other.

If you would actually research into the background, their military backbone when they became independant consisted of IJA remnants and influence. “No” is just a blatant lie again.

Because of their similar vehicles, they would complement each other actually. You have to choose if that’s a bad or a good thing when you’re also saying nations that got added like Hungary are bad. I’m assuming you mean the disparity from eastern equipment. For Korea-Japan, though, this isn’t the case as they have equipment based on US & Nato designs. Rather than other ASEAN soviet equipment, the parity with SK-JP would be better.

I didn’t address this more in my first reply, but long-term there would be no backlash. Each nation has that vocal minority that will get pissed off about some additions. While I can’t speak for everyone, personally I’m not fully against the way Gaijin implements nations, I’m not sure I see your issue with it. People have gotten it mixed up that just because a nation is added to complement another, it’s a sign of cultural subservience. It’s not and that notion is ridiculous. If SK would get added, They would be their own independant nation with their own flag. They aren’t doing it because of stupid political reasons to mess with sensitive issues.

Arguing non-sensically on politics makes it only worse. I’m guessing that’s the whole idea here.

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What a genius.
How the hell did forced conscription from the colonised Korea become a perfect link for being sub-tree…?

Yes, it might be a historical fact
But also, it will be serious political discussion as I claimed in other topic.

Congrats, you lit the flame on the fireworks.
And proved why we can’t have it as our option

In your doomed theory, post-war Germany is the direct successor of the Third Reich because the Bundeswehr adopted the Wehrmacht/Luftwaffe remnants.
:/

Sorry, I don’t know much about Koreans, but this feels like a blatant lie to me.
If you respect SK, I think you wouldn’t use forced conscription as evidence to support your short-sighted theory.

Yes, there will be a vocal minority that will get pissed off.
(Unsure that reaaally be a minority though)
And that is why WE CANNOT GET SK AS A SUB-TREE OF JAPAN.

They will force their military contractor not to give a license to Gaijin by political threats.
It is their commercial risks.

No matter

  • whether you want it or not
  • I want it or not
  • Gaijin want it or not

We won’t gonna be getting licences from them.
And no SK subtree to JP will happen.

Why are you continuing to push the most controversial option when there are less dangerous ones that exist?

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658

Exactly this. Especially now that the Indonesian Mi-35P was added, which opens up a ton of opportunities I really don’t know why “Korea to Japan” of all things is brought up again instead…

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Well, if there were no other options in sight just like old times.

I might disagree as same as now
Because I don’t want to see [Squid Game in WT Forum].

But at least I would’ve understood why that opinion showed.

But we all know that tides are turned.

  • Gaijin officially terminated the option of the SK subtree to JP
  • We got Thailand instead
  • Maybe we could have another option from ASEAN, such as Indonesia too.

I really, really can’t understand why ‘the most controversial option’ was resurrected.

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Ah, now we are at THAT level, we have to dig all the way to the B.C. to just make a sub-tree.

Cultural exchange and trade means absolutely nothing cause countries can do that even with the potential enemy. Also military cooperation is still nonexistent.

That also really means nothing cause there’s really not much options when when it comes to new poor independent country.
And even then, korea barely used any heavy IJA equipment cause IJA destroyed most of them. And that influence vanished after the US came.

How? Tell me. I think Asean countries can provide more options, especially with cold war equipment.

More like cause Korea has absolutely nothing to do with Japan??? Are you making some ‘stupid’ conspiracy?

No military connection.
No reason to add cause JPN now have Thailand and Indonesia.
And people’s are still talking about JPN…

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Downplaying my points won’t help your counter reasoning. Also to make myself clear on something I never intended to be disrespectful. What Japan did during ww2 was wrong but I shouldn’t even need to say the obvious. You would think that overcoming grievances would involve both acknowledging history, but also acceptance. Keeping on repeating “you can’t say facts” or analogies to something much worse fuels the flames more. This was also not meant to be about that, but why I think they have enough connections to justify the addition.

Indonesia would be good

It’s copypaste. That’s all. I think I’ve made my case clear and don’t want to reply any further.

Btw from what I was able to find, what gaijin has said is they have no plans for it. This statement is coming through the Korean forums 6 years ago from a moderator reply, not a dev.

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The point is that ww2 history is extremely controversial, especially so in East Asia. But just because South Korea was under occupation does not constitute to it having reasonable and tangible enough evidence for it to go to Japan.

If that was the case then France should just be grouped with Germany since they were under occupation back then.

To be blunt, one side doesn’t acknowledge their history, or admit their issues of the past. That is why there is so much resentment for the whole idea in the first place. And we cant talk about modern times without the implications of ww2 history, even if “its all in past” doesnt mean its forgotten entirely.

So no I dont support SK going to JP under any circumstances. Thailand can help with JP, Indonesia can provide reinforcements. There is no reason for SK to be added to the pile.

If you think this is to be the case then you should broaden your perspective on things and research more.

Saying its just copy paste when we have tons of unique ground vehicles to add is just nonsense. Just because Gaijin chose to implement only the C&P doesnt mean TH & ID only has C&P.

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…is that your “justification”?

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Sorry mate, but going to have to be a -1 from me.

This is already giving me Israel flashbacks with the copy paste. Also really not a fan of filling the game with ATGM jeeps but I know that’s a personal preference. Someone else made a suggestion for a United Korea tech tree that was passed on to the developers and I must say, I think that would be infinitely more interesting to play, even if the copy-paste problem persists.

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No I think you are mistaken. I never said that. I think koreas should go to CN & JP because it would be a better option considering similarities, better options & everything.

Also agree with what the person above me said. I would not be interested in grinding an Israel 2.0. Korea interests me, but there’s no need for another copy paste tree.

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I don’t share the same opinion as you. Personally, if Korea is added, I’d like to play with the K2, because if they don’t do that, the game will eventually become stagnant. But I have a feeling that the Korean tech tree will be quite interesting. Let’s wait and see — War Thunder will probably make an announcement about it soon. Since there are already many copy vehicles in the game, I don’t really care about that. I just hope that after Korea, the Turkish tech tree will be added.

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Boy do I have good news for you

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I’m not saying I don’t want the K2 by any means. I feel similarly about Turkey as well. Obviously I want their unique vehicles in the game, but I don’t believe they deserve an entire tech tree of their own.

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If it’s like you said, let’s remove everyone from the game except Germany, the USA, french,the Soviet Union, Britain, Italy and Japan (lonly have their own vehicles). Korea and Turkey have more of their own vehicles than Israel.Forget everything else — Israel only has the Merkavas thanks to the United States.

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That’s not my point at all. I’m not here to argue with you, just to debate.

My reasoning is thus: I don’t mind grinding through a vehicle a couple times in separate trees, but I don’t want to do it more than 2 or 3 times. If I want to play the T34-85, I can play Russia, China or Sweden. I don’t want another tech tree to come along down the line where I now have to research the T34-85, along with a load of other vehicles sharing this problem yet again. It’s getting excessive and it’s reducing my interest in grinding through new trees just to get to those totally unique vehicles in the highest ranks.

All I’m saying is that if Korea were to be introduced as suggested here, players who feel the way I do, and I know I’m not alone on this, for us it would be a massive detractor, and a bit of a death sentence for that content amongst this group of players. There are definitely more agreeable methods to implement this highly sought after content.

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The easy solution is just to folder these vehicles behind more unique options outside of their nation of origin (or main operator for pure export vehicles).

This way they are only mandatory in one nation, and optional everywhere else for players that specifically want them for that nation or for a lineup.

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That’s true, but that still requires a healthy supply of unique vehicles to populate the ranks below VI and VII. Not sure how a Korean tech tree would be able to accomplish that.

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This wasn’t specific to the Korean tree, but the game in general. Many existing trees could benefit a lot from this.

For Korea I believe the best solution is to make a combined Korean tree, where the unique designs from both South and North Korea are included, similar to how China or Germany are handled. I don’t think South Korea alone is enough.

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