What report?
No they aren’t. They have nothing to do with armour according to type 10 specification (GV-Y120001F) uploaded here.
According to annex C section C.2 構造 (structure) page 69, the box is called サイドモジュール (side module). Which a) can be mounted on the side of the turret shell, b) has hooks to attach camo net.
According to Section C.3 機能 (function) p.70, the side module has the function to open/close the cover and store equipment.
It says nothing about containing armour in it.
It is less likely according to 新戦車 (その５) 試作品設計書 (装甲部) (New tank (Part 5) Prototype design (Armour section)) document index CE45-07-A-184-04.
Based on the description on page 11, it appears that there are three module shapes for additional armour type I.
(ｱ) 各部共通用 ((a) for common use)
(ｲ) 操縦手下部防護用 ((i) for protection of lower part of the driver)
(ｳ) 砲塔部吊部用 ((u) I’m not sure what it is. “砲塔部” means “Turret section”, A用 means “for A”, but I couldn’t figure out what 吊部 is. “部” means “section” or “part”. “吊” means “to hang” or something like that. Perhaps over hung section of the turret?)
There is no doubt that the second one would not be mounted on the side of the turret.
The first one is also less likely to have a shape that would fit into the side module.
The last one, which I am not so sure about, does not sound like an armour for the front half of the turret sides either.
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ゲームの10式を強化する方法はないのですか？
Yep, contrary to popular belief, the storage boxes cannot hold composite armor. Even if they could, it would be very impractical. The Type 10 with the additional armor will definitely look a lot different than we’re used to.
Also is what he is saying about it unveiled in March true?
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If we make Type 10 in-game based on the specification and some official test results, it will be much stronger.
- Turret cheek is likely to withstand type 10 AP at 250 m distance IRL.
- Mantlet and hull vital section will also provide same protection.
- All the structures are made of nanocrystalline steel, which is better than RHA.
- Type 10 AP has a self-sharpening effect, which provides extra penetration.
- It has more power output at drive sprocket and higher mobility than type 90.
- Very capable C4I system, although no any C4I is implemented in WT.
These are already discussed here. JGSDF Type10 Tank/10式戦車
And the correction of armour configuration is already submitted as an issue, although it has not been adopted for 2 years. Type 10 MBT’s Inconsistencies, Thickness and Composition
@Noveos_Republic
Yeah, I see so many people and books confusing modular composite armour and side modules.
I have no idea, never heard about it.
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Regarding that, I was rather… how do I say this… naive when I made it. Gaijin has a certain way of working, and I highly doubt that this is enough or good enough for them. Since then, I have learned a lot more, both about how Gaijin operates and about the Type 10 in general. Unless there is direct information contradicting a Gaijin claim, I doubt they will bother to change it.
There are some recent examples of this behaviour as well, specifically the Leopard 2A7V and how Gaijin handled its acceleration. Despite having plenty of information to make an informed estimate, they simply gave up and asked for details that are not public.
With the Type 10, the most likely changes are buffing the RHA to NRHA/HHRHA, fixing CVT/HMT, and maybe reworking the turret armour to remove some of the gaps and broken shapes.
I doubt they will mess with the full armour protection or APFSDS. Gaijin uses LO for War Thunder, so unless we can prove the rod is faster, denser, or bigger, we won’t have a great chance of getting more penetration.
For anyone interested, here are Gaijin’s numbers for APFSDS and armour. Do note that some of these might be outdated for certain shells and tanks.
In short, could people make a better report? Yes, with not too much effort. But will it be accepted by Gaijin and actually added to War Thunder? Probably not, as there is no direct source to contradict the majority of Gaijin’s claims.
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I’m not the first, and I won’t be the last, to see Gaijin’s behaviour this way. They only change things if they want to or are forced to, and even then, there’s no guarantee they’ll actually make a change. The CR2 breech changes, Stingers, the 2A7V vs Strv 122, and many other issues are examples of Gaijin’s ignorance or lack of interest/need to fix anything.
Sorry if I sound overly pessimistic, I just have my doubts that Gaijin will do much xD.
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Yes, if we had the specification of the mystery “48 ton full armour type 10” that can proof to Gaijin, but AFAIK until now there really haven’t any document (whether unclassified or sekrit) that saying what actually is the “additional armour” was
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Good luck on this, Gaijin has shown to ignore sources and even if reports are accepted, they’ll likely never be implemented or implemented in a very botched way.
After all, I’ve seen it happen many times already.
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More than likely those are the shape for the composite blocks. Ofc some dimensions will change. However that is the most logical answer for it. The only thing that can’t be answered is the addition hull and front end armor and their looks.
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@Drag0oon
So, being likely is not enough for Gaijin even if in-game model is less likely.
I must admit that it would be very tough since many of the important parameters are hidden in official documents…
@POC_DA_DOC_GOD
Sorry, but I couldn’t read any of the files.
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It’s just how Gaijin operates. Sometimes it feels like pure luck, depending on which tech mod and eventually which dev sees your bug report. The chances of the devs actually deciding to remake (and buff) the Type 10 are proportional to Gaijin’s statistics on its performance.
Gaijin tends to add things to the game based on their own interpretation, and once something is in, that interpretation becomes the default whether it’s right or not. Even if users present conflicting sources or logical counterpoints, Gaijin won’t budge unless those sources explicitly disprove their claims.
And if no concrete sources exist? Well, whatever Gaijin originally decided becomes the unquestioned truth, no matter how uncertain or unlikely it actually is.
Or, to summarise: We’re simply so good at the game that we don’t need a better tank, even if we’re up against 2A7Vs! Just ignore all the other nation buffs once they started losing! /s
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This reminds me of Ho-Ri situation. It seems like they really just picked the version which was best fit for certain BR, even if it was furthest from the planned vehicles. The 1100hp engine is also a very obvious mistake. I don’t know where they got the armor values and weights. Only weights I have seen are 40 and 47,4 tons, but those were for the smaller version.
What could we even try to do with these Ho-Ris? I don’t think they are eager to make completely new 3D models for them.
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How about Chi-Nu in… whatever this was.
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This would be an amazing skin for the chi nu in game, ngl
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we can get those boddy pillows with that