But what BR early jets, I might join you
WT is 99.999% PvP.
PvE part is simple killing targets with almost no scenario. Just the reduction of enemy points, nothing more. This is very far from PvE.
I’d love to fly the F2H-2 and F9Fs (and hortens one day), but they’re too expensive for me (15k repair cost adds up fast with the way useful actions work). Occasional F3H-2 and Crusaders. Usually I stick to my props though.
Escorting and keeping bombers safe in a mustang across dover is fun. Keeping an IL-2 safe as it bombs tanks is also fun. Flying a flight of hellcats & corsairs to bomb boats is fun (if entirely unrewarding economically). Flying a demon to protect your carrier against yaks and sukhois is fun. Flying cover for junkers over Ruhr is fun.
All of the above is comparable to games like Dota where your winning condition is destroying the enemy ancient and achieving that by destroying their towers. We don’t have an ancient per se, but we have tanks and bases and airfields and carriers and and a.i planes whose loss drains significant tickets (a bomber formation is worth 800 tickets from “Objective complete!” alone from when I tried to test it - went from 7.4k to 6.6k). Victtory is achieved by preventing the enemy from accomplishing their objectives and helping your team accomplish yours. This is what makes sim appealing beyond the plane actually doing what you want it to do and getting to see pretty instruments (usually, some look painted on) - you feel like you have a purpose to your flying rather than take off, fly headfirst into a furball or sideclimb, get 1-3 kills and then go next and repeat.
I’m not shooting those bf109s for no reason, I’m protecting my bomber buddies. I’m not hunting those yaks and sukhois, I’m protecting my carrier.
Nope, it’s clearly supposed to be a furball where you spam AIM 120s 5km from each other
This is not actually PvE. Though I admire you gameplay style as team player.
Nobody will cover you at top tier and it is not easy to do.
When I was talking about PvE I meant mostly assualt planes. There is no real PvE for them.
That is why I create my own mission to enjoy gameplay.
For me sim EC is good enough only to bomb bases to grind planes.
oh thanks i agree with everything there particularly adding pansirs to airfields above 11.3. however they should also be able to shoot down missles
I never once complained about bombing in this thread. You’ve become a waste of my time.
Infact. This thread is meant to start a discussion on updating sim EC. So Gaijin can see it and do something like adding better objectives, new maps, etc. You make no logical sense telling me im anti-bomber when I’m the one that created this thread. Make it make sense dude.
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Want to fix the economy? Get rid of “Useful Actions”, give rewards when things happen, and also allow console players to play Sim with crossplay disabled.
This thread isn’t about fixing the economy. Again, you are wasting time with your trash opinions
Imagine shooting Fox 3s like you’re supposed to.
The issue isnt bombing bases, that is fine. The issue is this:
Expecting to be able to bomb without being shot at by the other team. Sim is PvPvE. If you want to fly a ground attacker or even a fighter and just exclusively bomb;. then dont get mad when someone shoots you down
No, it got exploited like hell, which is why it was changed. Useful actions isnt necessarily all that bad, but rather has some major flaws that can readily be addressed.
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Exploited like hell? How so? Because only Xbox players played it? How evil! Damn, I guess everyone was exploiting every video game pre-2020 by that logic.
It was exploited by botters and other bad actors who only used it to grind.
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If rewards were handed out in the same manner as they are in RB. Then the zombers that suicide ram the AFs spamming rockets to farm score for events would now also strart generating large amounts of SL and RP. In fact you would likely see people always just J-ing out after dropping their bombs on targets, back in the day, I think it was heavy bombers which is why they had repair costs 2 to 3 times that of a fighter, but these days it would likely be done by aircraft like the F-111s.
You also had lobbies filled with dumby accounts on one team that would just sit on the runway, and on the other someone would come along a strafe them all, killing them all.
The unique nature of EC just has major room for exploitation.
My suggestions for fixing the current SB economy which imo, is all about survival rather than min-maxed performance
Wow, you are telling me that a game that forces you to grind has people that only want to grind? What a sin, you know, I believe Jesus actually mentioned something about, “thou shalt grind a game” so that must be a sin. I’ll say my Hail Mary’s, just let me grab my rosary.
Okay, and we still have that happening with PC players. I mean, wasn’t it like 6k players got banned for botting a month or two ago? Obviously nothing changed, so let us Xbox players have the ability to play Sim matches by ourselves, without having PS and PC. I play with my crossplay off because I do not aspire to deal with PC players. Weird how gaming had crossplay disabled for literal decades and nothing bad happened. Also weird how cheating seemed to be on the rise post-crossplay. I certainly noticed it.
Either or, I quite like your ideas. I can argue semantics, but I do believe the cap should be shortened to 10 minutes, we should receive our partial because it would be nice to see how much we get (beyond crashing and seeing we get like 7k RP). But I still believe the capped points is absolutely useless. They’re basically forcing you to bomb a base/eliminate a person, and then sit and do nothing at the airfield until you get your stuff. You also get like 3k for landing, so I don’t see why you have that added in.
I dont see what difference it makes what consoles you play on. If you made it so that PC and PS had massive restrictions on economy but xbox didnt. Not only would that be extremely unfair for non-Xbox players but the botters would just migrate to xbox.
Its more to increase that reward further
Also, nothing wrong with getting a bunch of SL and RP. I seriously don’t understand why people are so hellbent on “you must grind by fighting” or some absurd “honour system”. Gaijin ruined it by implementing the worst grind of any video game I have ever seen: and I played Call of Duty for a long time. Seriously, a million SL just to purchase a plane, drop an additional 300k, just to play a copy-paste version of another plane. And let’s not talk about tanks, where you need to research things that should be on the tank in the first place. So yes, I could care less about some kamikaze getting additional points, because we are all just trying to grind. There’s no such thing as exploitation, just a new way to grind in the worst economy for grinding since… week one Vanguard.
Because I want to play with crossplay disabled? I don’t want to be around PCheaters, and there’s plenty of Xbox players. Plus, Microsoft does have stipulations saying that games on their store need to accommodate Microsoft features, one being disabled Crossplay. PlayStation also has a disable crossplay function. I see it as fair. Not everyone wants to play with the one system responsible for cheating. Hint hint, that’s PC.
Also, if you really want to talk unfair, how about we talk about how PC players get the Gaijin store and have more access to deals and discounts, more than Xbox and PS players. Oh, and the Market to buy decals,vehicles, and skins, PLUS can unlock more camos. Oh, and have I forgotten that you cannot transfer accounts from PC? PC has all the advantages, so why would disabled Crossplay be bad?
Players wouldnt have any issue with, Gaijin does. In the past, in response to botters and other exploits instead of addressing the exploit or the botters they just nerfed the economy into the floor for everyone and everything. Like when heavy bombers were generating too much, they gave them massive repair costs that rendered them nearly unplayable.
Bombers aren’t the issue. The issue is people expecting to be able to use them in a purely PvE environment. It is especially bad when players who want to play a fighter are bullied and harrassed for wanting to do so by people want to bomb without conflict. That is the issue people have with the “PvE-ers”
I personally enjoy playing aircraft like the Buc, Jag and Tornado. Aircraft that are only really good for one thing. But I play all 3 in a manner where I avoid the enemy team as much as possible, and will defend myself if attacked. I dont expect to be able to fly straight too and from a target without a care in teh world.
Yes, War Thunder has economy problems. This is a common complaint, But ASB shouldnt be used just to exploit the system. Not only will again, gaijin just nerf everyone in that instance making the grind ahrder for those of us who play ASB because its the gamemode they enjoy. But it ruins the gamemode for the people who want to play it as intended.
Take that up with Microsoft. It hasnt got anything to do with Gaijin.
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