https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/135233/general-jumper-qualifies-in-fa-22-raptor/
Wasn’t it simply on the list as missiles being added into the files?
Also, how long did it take for AIM-120C and R-77-1 to be added into the game after it was first seen in the files? A year?
Yeah, though my point is that it’s in-game already.
IJRAME report title
Journal, JRAME. Radar Cross Section of a Stealthy Aircraft Using Electromagnetic Simulation in the X and in VHF/UHF Bands.
Simply labeled “frontal” done via a 10.5GHz monostatic SBR sim.
I had misremembered it as well, it’s -8.8dbsm. I believe I rounded it to -9 and simply mixed up the numbers.
Looking back at the N035’s performance as well, that would put the F-22A’s range of acq at 79km. Looks like I was at least correct on that number.
Yeah, but it’s certainly an indication that the “next gen missiles” could be ARH and not IIR. The push for AESA on everything kinda supports that too imo
1.7 is greater than 1.5 and i just stated 1.5+
would be a weak and vulnerable TWS track though right?
ik, just saying its 1.7+ which is more accurate
No clue, that’s simply the range of a guaranteed return. Either way STT simply needs a cue point to push all 4 transmitters to acquire.
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Can you share the report please?
But to be fair, they never added AIM-120s first to only the Tornado F3 and F-4F ICE and PL-12 to J-8F first before more advanced platforms like 4th gens got them. They added fox-3s to everyone at the same time regardless of the fact that some countries had much better performing platforms and then adjusted their battle-ratings to account for this. So I can’t see them just limiting next-gen missiles to just late 4th gens, although I don’t think we have anything to worry about when it comes to AIM-9X and R-74s.
I’ll edit my comment with the doc #
Thank you!
I would argue that the addition and push for F-22 to the US tech tree would indicate the US needs a plane with MAWS and that requires a 5th gen for them. MAWS would be especially useful against long-range IIR. It would be miserable for the US if IIR missiles drop and ASRAAM/MICA IR is shooting down their multipathing aircraft with no warning whatsoever.
Still pretty good if you consider the possibility of separate “detect” and “lock” ranges, which most if not all radars currently have implemented. So “detected at 80” might as well mean “hardlocked at 40”, and that is by a dumpster truck of a radar.
What about the ones from various light fighters? For instance, J-10A’ TWS starts seeing targets at about 60-65km as of today.
Or even missiles? I bet the pitbull range is gonna be way way lower than the usual 16km by that logic.
There’s no telling if Meteors are planned for EFT/Rafale with ASRAAM/MICA-IR while the F-22 gets AIM-120D and AIM-9X. The F-22 would (imo) still have inferior missiles at that point.
We’ve already seen how the Gaijin turn perfectly good aircraft into junk. The F/A-18C or F-15CGE are excellent examples. Believe me, they’ll turn the F-22 into a very mediocre aircraft, worse than the F-15E.
I mean, both are 360° missiles in dogfight, it ain’t gonna change a thing at this range.
After using the F-15C GE and F-18E, it isn’t near as much of a problem as you think. The only truly annoying plane to face is the Su-30M2 capable of notching and guiding. Though you have to take into account that notching might become more and more irrelevant if the new missiles they add have better chaff/notch resistance. MICA is already hard to notch, imagine something with an even better seeker, yikes.
Missiles quality won’t mean much when the Eurofighter/Rafale starts defensive/having to go cold everytime because its unable to get a lock on the F-22 in time. Last time I tested, plane AESA radars struggled to pick up the F-117 at around 30km. And the F-117 has a frontal RCS quite larger than the F-22, ~0.001 m² versus ~0.0001 m² or lower. That means a radar will detect the F-22 at ~56% the distance it would the F-117, so 15km.
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It might. Its also assuming they get LOAL.
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This is assuming this is modeled.
I think stealth won’t really be modeled that much because it would be shit gameplay for everything and everyone.
I’m assuming an RCS modeling overhaul too though, which would explain why the typhoon still has the tornados RCS for example
Would just be easier to delete SARH/ARH missiles from top tier
huh… Why wouldn’t it be? This is already modeled on the F-117. Of course the F-22 is going to get better stealth than the F-117.
Yes, this is probably the only thing legacy fighters with high payload will be able to reliably do. Shoot down incoming missiles to force a fight where the F-22 is out of AIM-120 while you can still sling radar missiles at it. That’s already what I’m doing with the F-15C GE against the Rafale anyway. To note, it’s easy to do in 1v1 but really hard in the furball due to the amount of contacts.
So, what you are saying is that F15 with only IR missiles Vs typhoon with BVR missiles would be a fair fight?
That is in essence the gameplay you are proposing for top tier?
No, the F22s stealth will be nerfed. Im guessing it won’t do much under 50 or so km