There’s no need to even argue about it. If Gaijin gives us an F-22 without an HMD, the F-22 will likely lack stealth and a reduced IR signature. Everything will be implemented in the worst possible way. This will be Gaijin’s triumph. They’ll nerf the F-22 and give us the Su-57, which has simply fantastic performance.
It is still confidential even if it can be found on reddit, twitter, discord, and etc.
Yea that document is not confidential any more and it was about 2008 swiss trial and not 2012
You mean F-22 instead of F-15 I guess? I’m not saying it will be fair for the F-22 or fun for the EF, I’m saying it will most likely be the only reliable way for the eurofighter to win. The eurofighter will have more ARH so you can shoot down everything coming at you head on without having to go defensive and die.
This is what’s bound to happen with stealth fighters + better ARH. I’m not the one proposing it lol.
This is just cope. If the F-117 is already hard to catch at 30km with AESAs in-game, don’t expect the F-22 to be anything higher than that, in fact, expect it to be lower. Expect it to be around 50% lower if Gaijin goes with public information.
Would help a lot more if WT had a somewhat good rendition of radar performance, but even now I’d say it’s still more mature of mechanics than most other simulators.
Wrong wording on my part though, I had this all written down and didn’t care to add too many descriptors. What I meant in my original comment is lock range, I’ll edit it.
My range estimate for the N035 were simply going by NIIP’s (published through Roscosmos) stated ranges for differing target sizes… At least I put that down x3
STT acquisition against said -8.8dbsm target is 79km, its “wide-FOV” detection range against an -8.8dbsm target would be 145km. Hard to tell what it would be in its “narrow-FOV”, as the variety of range in detection against a specified target gives ~50km variance.
Lol, thanks for reminding me that the J-10A was delivered 1 year after the F-22A.
I highly doubt that, at such a range almost anything past the late '60s would be able to lock onto it, granted it isn’t showing its good side (some minor angles from the front can return upwards of 0dbsm, at this point the Su-35S matches that figure when cherry-picking angles).
That would be too much of a shock for the community I think, I don’t recall this ever happening where next-generation IR and radar missiles were both introduced into the game.
Then the F22 will have to be at a notably higher BR. Because hug the deck at 50m until you can get into WVR just sounds boring as hell. Been there done that before.
maybe, but the vehicles leaked make it so both are required pretty much
I assure you it is still confidential, someone I know had gotten banned for posting that document, and the moderators are harsh, they’ll ban on the first time with no warning.
Weren’t next gen ir missile supposed to be released when everyone gets MAW? And AFAIK US 5th gen only have MAW
How so? They only make it so that LOAL IR missiles are required which would be IIR missiles, how would the next-gen ARH be required?
It should, but this is Gaijin we’re talking about lmao. We had LDIRCM helicopter for only 3 nations at first at the same BR as the rest.(USA, Russia, China), a few more nations got them afterward.
And now we’re like 6 months later, with Germany and Israel still missing a LDIRCM helicopter with F&F, worse than that, the Tigre UHT and AH-60 are at the same BR as the AH-64Es/Mi-28NM
Wouldn’t be surprised if the F-22 is only 0.3BR higher than what we have now.
only 2 nations
AH-64E came out an update after Mi-28MN and Z-10ME had LDIRCM
edit: why was this flagged, it is just stating a fact
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J-20 and PL-15
Okay so I looked around, it seems that the J-20 and Su-57 can actually bring out their IR missiles out of the bay, so it doesn’t seem like it actually needs the next-gen IR missiles for internal use.
i mean physically the J-20 IR bay is only meant for PL-10 afaik
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Gotcha, it seems the J-20 bay did use PL-12 and Su-57 bay does use R-77-1, so that means next-gen ARH isn’t necessarily needed?
really? i thought they always used PL-15 for it and R-77-1 cant fit in the weapons bay because of the grid fins
nopenopenope!
The Su-57’s bays can’t physically house the R-77-1 because… Well… She’s too shallow. I’m sure that one Fillipo guy on Reddit would be sad to hear that.
Can’t speak on the J-20, but every scenario I’ve personally pushed against a simulated target was with a prospective PL-15.
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The United States could well get two versions of the F22: the first iteration with the AIM 9m and a version with already modern missiles and hmd