Gun duels aren’t representative of AirRB. Both are fantastic but in a 1v1 the rafale would have a edge, while the ef2000 is better at early game to push the other team, just like the f-15e
The F15A was miles ahead of the Su27 for match impact im sorry, at the time the SU27 was just a missile bus and if you had literally any idea how to get past those missiles the thing was doomed.
Never said it was representative, the comparisson I’ve stated above before the EF2000 V rafale.
I stated above about how ARB is vastly different to 1v1s
But at the end of the day his claim was random and outlandish so I attempted to address it.
As is shown through stats the french players tend to be better statistically, now they have a plane which is meta their win rates skyrocket.
In my experience. I had to be WAY more passive with the F-15a and third party people. With the J-11/su-27 I could spearhead everything, deny altitude to f-16 and f-15 and if they survived my 27er spam I would usually have the positional advantage for the r73 to do its job.
I have better WR in the F-15 and similar stats, but the teams were considerably better too. Most flanker pilots weren’t any good and crumbled against teams of f-16/f-15s
In my experience I threw it right into the midst of everything and did pretty damn okay with it, then had to finish spading it once ARH dropped cause I took a back seat from teh top tier, got an okay KD with it TBH for what it is.
Aye I found the opposite man, i found the team mates for the US teams were absolutely abysmal
I need to correct myself. It’s not that the teams were better, but the F-16/F-15 were easier to play for the average player.
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Even then but the F15A stats showed that the teams were doing horrific with it, hence why it stayed at 12.3 while even the objectively worse SMT went to 12.7
Huh? Are you talking about when it received r77s?
god no, im talking about when the Su27, mig29 SMT, mig29G, J11, gripen and mirage all went to 12.7 and the F15A didn’t.
The Mig29SMT when the F15A dropped, long before the ARH Missile update was objectively worse than the F15A, the F15A had much more longevity and match impact, while not as potent a SARH missile it still had 4 aim7Ms which were nothing to be laughed at, and 4 x aim9M which was and still is about on par to the R73 for IRCCM capabilities.
Ehh… I vaguely remember that… Probably they decompressed those things soon after to 13.0.
But for me the su-27/j11 was the best 13.0 and still is (arguably if we ignore the new 13.0 fox3 slinger). The old gripens or the current 13.0 gripenA are in a worse position than the F-15A and the belgium’s F-16A even worse.
If we had proper decompression the F-15A and the early flankers shouldn’t share the same BR.
back in my day F-15A was 12.3 and Su-27 was 12.7
What?
the F15A is by far the best 13.0 rn other than the gripens but they are for 1v1’s
the F15A has the best match impact kit for 13.0 and down.
The F15A should be the same BR as the su27s bud, im sorry even your own stats prove that xD
The things got a phenomenal FM compared to when it was introduced, good fuel efficiency, good gun with a lot of ammo, good CM count, Good missiles and great IR missiles.
I actively still take it out when im bored even against ARH slingers and do alright.
Purely due to how bad US mains are with it, even now they still suck the amount of times ive BVR’d a damn R27ER at an F15C who just flies right into it, like doesn’t even try move, is silly.
Yeah but that didnt really matter because it was top tier, you would face 12.7 anyway all day
the F15A should of been 12.7 anyways man xD it was what the 2nd or 3rd best air frame in the game behind the gripen and the F16A for flight model
then for missile loadout was ahead of the gripen, and almost every other plane .
Su27 had nothin but missiles as its go to thing and if you multipathed like you were supposed to then well it pretty much invalidated the Su27, especially if you knew how to flar an R73 which wasnt difficult.
The F15A now sits at a BR where it should be
idk their missiles are actually easy to notch without losing too much speed, i mostly say that with the f1c in mind since you outrun them by a wide margin, against two or three though yeah thats a bit more problematic
You didn’t play the others at all, and you barely have positive stats with the F15. Sorry but you brought stats first.
Here are my relevant stats, allow me to give you some more context
I first researched the F-15A, in the very first days it was introduced, after some time I got the J11 which was played after most people got their own top tiers and spaded them.
I got the first su-27 not long ago when we already had 13.7 or 14.0 top tier.
Forgot about the F-15J which is slightly better than the A, I played it alongside the su-27 not long ago, but I only played downtiers, if I got uptiered to 13.7+ I always left the match. I have decent stats with it but in my opinion wasn’t a good experience. I was always on my toes, while with the su-27 I can be much more aggressive and relaxed if that makes sense.
Working on the J11 actually and going for an SMT before the Su27
as wella s that the F15A I told you I only finished spading it very recently, as well as that its also my cas plane for GRB so that accounts for quite a number of those deaths. Meanwhile you play it seems excuslively air combat with these platforms.
Also you are aware your F15A stats are better than the J11 stats. for just 26 more deaths you have more than 40 kills.
Reading that your stats ima throw out the window that is an incredibly cheap and stat padding thing to do buddy.
Why tf ?
Like im not even gonna bother my arse to try justify anything to you now, you’ve just openly admitted to bailing out of the game in an uptier. that is cheap as hell mate.
EDIT FInally
You also have to admit the SMT that wasa 12.7 when the F15A was 12.3 made no sense either, the SMT was worse than the F15A
I haven’t played the F-15A much more than the initial phase, that’s mostly it. In my recent games, having 3 kills in a f-15A is a decent game, having 4 kills in the su-27 is bread and butter.
Yeah, you’re not finding me fighting fox3s with IR missiles. Same with the french F-16A. Leaving a match early or not joining at all is the same, since I am not robbing my team since my place will be replaced immediately.
I never mentioned the contrary. the SMT was never in a great place.
F15J has Sparrows.
So back when the F15A was at its best then? xd
I got it just before it hit 13.0 and was up against ARH slingers.
I stated above, and your responses were inclined to say as if it was merited, at least were on the page there, however why was the SMT higher BR than the F15a?
Dead weight in a uptier. I’m not saying I can’t do well, I often had 1 or 2 kills with it in the few uptiers I played. But its not fun playing defense all match and only third partying people when your teams plays good.
Ask gaijin lol
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