Though, I have had some mega fun dogfights with the mig29 man, like ive finished most matches with R60s unlaunched.
Though I have out done SU34s with the Mig29 and finished them off with an R60 to the side
you know the mig-29smt has a differnent radar from the one at 12.7
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The GSH 23 isnt bad on the mig21s, but its also at a substantially lower BR we first see it appear, unlike the US Vulcan (or even the 20mms) the GSH is terrible to get used to , and even then once you stop using it even for a bit its brutal to use again, like u say teh velocity is just god awful with it.
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And the F4E will never be able to launch the Aim9J period. So criticizing the bad R60M's is irrelevant. The MLD will both win in fast or long duel, and it also never has to duel in the first place because it is over 100kph faster in a straight line.
i played over 100 games of the F4E and F4EJ recently in preparation for the May Sale as I have tali on them from a long time ago. The 23 is far superior. The F4E is great in down tiers, just like the ML/MLA/MLD, but the only thing that kills am them is another one, or perhaps a JA37C/J8B very randomly sometimes.
Lol most of ur kills are bots
The MLD does not win in the sustained fight… the mig23MLD loses the sustained fight with an F4E due to the addition of the wing slats on the MLD, as explained.
The MLD Maybe faster in a straight but it cant again sustain that speed long or it runs out of fuel.
as well as that the MLD you absolutely have to manage your wing sweep or you will lose as even more energy.
ive used both the M and MLD extensively, same as the F4E and match per match the F4E has more game impact than a mig 23ML .
How so? the aim9Js are quite easy to get a lock and launch, wether it hits or not isnt the main reason to do so, it makes the enemy panic / flare and breaks concentration on the fight.
The R60 can be used the same way but its FoV is much smaller as well as the actual locking FOV bigger.
1 - the Ml is worse than the MLD due to the fact it is missing wingslats.
the MLD is the best Mig23
2- the MLA I believe is similar to the 23M base model which is 11.0 and is objectively worse than the F4E bar in raw speed and the R60.
F4E is great even in 11.3 matches its probably one of the best phantoms per Br in game.
If 30 battles is “extensively”, what is 60 battles than? “insane” followed by 90 battles which would be considered “unbelievable” in this rating system.
Than why are you saying R60M is not handy? They both are semi-useless that get flared off by 1 flare except the R60M actually locks so it may or may not hit a bot player who doesn’t flare.
And I was writing mainly about a dogfight against an ML/MLD/MLA whatever. You won’t be be able to get 9J off the rail in that case.
Between them both, having spaded them both. The M and MLD.
Teh R60M doesnt though thats what im saying, it has a larger FoV for the inner circle but the actual fire angle is smaller.
I consistently can and do get the 9J’s off the rails in dog fights with the F4E though I do drop the sparrows.
BTW the initial comment was a dude talking about the F4E VS the ML which the F4E tends to win.
the FM changes to the mig23’s absolutely shafted their dogfight capabilties.
Mind you the F4E has a great sustained rate, that similar to the mig29 SMT, at least it was unsure if the SMT got buffed.
So keep that in mind.
EDIT: just to bounce back on
between the M and MLD ive nearly 100 games
And only half of your MLD games.
Most of my matches in base Mig-29 were done back when it was a top dog. While the plane itself and 27ERs were fun, the R-60MKs were lacking even back then, not to mention nowadays.
Im using it now as we speak and must say i prefer it ove rthe F16AJ and even the F15A, it just suits how I play better .
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Cant imagine its due to its dogfight capability.
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it actually can dogfight if you manage its speed etc
Dunno, last time we trained dogfights, my 29G against friends F-16A and C, (both min. fuel, clean loadout, guns only), A absolutely demolished 29G and against C it was down to the players error.
the F16A is still one of the best platforms in game for dogfighting and let it be clear I am in no way saying the mig29 is gonna rinse any of the aformentioned platforms, an most the 12,7s should beat it.
But in ARB not everyone knows how to dogfight or we make mistakes etc.
I dispise the duels in this game cause you spawn far, far too close in these planes to get any decent positioning. Like Spawning 5km apart going mach jesus just sucks xD
Absolutely, we dont make those training dogfights to simulate how average ARB match plays out, we do them to learn differences in aircraft performances.
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The AJ actually one of the best dogfight jet in the game tho , so is the F15A. But US main unable to utilize the F15A on it debut so we have that
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Yeah im aware of that, What I mean but is even in the ARB scene its different from the duels, for example a su33 technically should beat the mig29 in a dogfight, however If you come in from an off angle or position better before the merge it gives you a significant advantage.
The Duels / 1v1’s as you say show the stark differences in the platforms while ARB is it put into practice.
A good F16A pilot will lose 1 in every 15 at most to a mig29 pilot.
however if you have a great mig29 pilot and an average F16A pilot the F16 will lose almost always.
I think it does also come down to the pilots with these platforms, once you get past generation 3 planes.
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nope thats not true, just look at the winrate of france, before and after the intruduction of the rafale
What are you on about the win rate of france? where? in ARB ? air sim? what
a good EF2000 pilot beats a fantastic rafale pilot. Defyn even proved that in his video with the EF2000 dueling willy walrus or whoever it is whos considered widely as one of the best if not the best for 1v1’s in the game.
The pilot matters immensely especially in the gen 4s , gen 4.5s are just stupidely good in comparisson, much like the gen 4s compared to the gen 4s.
Dont go spouting nonsense now ron.
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The F-15A was great, but the su-27 was better suited for the meta, and now it’s even better.