I’m surprised for J-7E with 4 x PL=5B is this same BR as F-5C just lol from Gaijin
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I think it was a tough call for Gaijin because the plane obviously would be crazy strong at 10.7 (+dodging the F-4S matchmaker) and they couldnt uptier the other variants like the E and the thai F-5 to BRs they would be useless at. If they move up the F-5E to 11.3 they kinda are forced to move the squadron thai F-5 to 11.7 and you know the rest of the story.
Another outside of the box idea would be removing flares it never had and putting it at 10.7.
Something off topic, If F-5C can still perform at 11.0, so can the fishbeds (21smt/mf)
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Does not belong lower either. Too strong. All the cons you listed are immediately irrelevant when you consider the pros.
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Don’t think so.
Lol F-20 being 12.7 is even worse. Aim 9’ls and Aim 7’s. Whereas the av8b at .3 higher has 4 aim120s and aim 9m’s?? freaking really?? F20’s vs fox 3s… LOL WHAT!?? Will never be buying another premium ever again.
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While I don’t disagree that the F20 is in a questionable spot, do you realize you just come off as a low skill leech on the game that only buys these prems to get OP vehicles when you say shit like this? Let me guess, you want the BR of the F20 to match the F-4S? Or be 0.3br above it only despite being 2x as good?
Tbh 12.7 is the perfect BR for F-20, we just need max BR to be 14.0
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the yak 141? the horten? xp 38g the king cobra.
German Mig-29s with missiles it never had. Germany never ever received R-27ER/ET
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Ok since you definitely didn’t read anyone’s arguments I’m going to say it again, really simply. EVERYONE from 10.0 up got moved, it was moved with its opponents. It was over performing at 10.3, that thing was disgusting against 9.3 planes, which it faced a lot. There’s only so many BRs, it would be nice if Gaijin made it X.2 X.4 X.6 X.8 and X.0 but they won’t. There’s only so many places it could have gone and that’s the most reasonable and fair to everyone, not just people who bought the F-5. The thing is still very good just learn to fly it against slightly different opponents.
the A5C DIDNT GET MOVED
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Not resonable and Fair with your thinking why J7E with have 4xPL-5B is at 11 BR and XS with Kfir Cannard + F-5C is 11,11.3 respectively you argument is false J7E was op and still is but considering is not premium was not up tier
Fairness is not in mind of Gaijin money is if you say F-5C was too OP then consider all 8.7 BR premiums that got nerfed with Gaijin fairness F-104s and Mig-19s with Q-5s at 9.3 but no chance was needed there EEEE…
Considering Gaijin fairness is out of the window 6 years now the only think that is here is how to make older Premium useless so ppl can buy new one’s if F-5C is 64.99 and F-20 is 74.99 EUR not big difference and keep in mind new premiums will come you see the trend with Tanks in recent 2years
So your statement is false.
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F5C will not be crazy strong at 10.7. It needs fighting with other 10.7 jets like Mig21SMT or Mig21MF and if it uptiers in a game, it will fight with Mig21bis or J-7E and Ja37C hardly.
Why these Migs can dodging the F4S but F5C need to face it ?
When the skillful players play A-5C or mig21 they can easily consume the energy of F5C . When F5C into the low speed , its the time to back hangar.
So i think f5c gets it 10.7 BR is what it needs.
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That is because a competent player can easily defeat one, the magics are very short range. The airframe is an upgraded MiG-19, if you know what you’re doing getting guns on should be no problem.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say here but I’m going to try to sum up what’s wrong with that argument. The J-7E is a good plane, but not OP, neither is the F-5C. OP planes don’t exist, there are planes that are under tiered and airframes around it struggle (9.X planes vs the F-5C). That is why it was moved up, to make gameplay more enjoyable for everyone. This doesn’t mean Gaijin has an agenda to get everyone to buy a different premium, the F-5C is one of their major money makers and they don’t want to lose that money. The game balances around everyone’s enjoyment, not yours because you bought a pixel plane. So I’m sorry you may have to actually work for kills now and it’s not just free.
It’s very funny that the f5c stands at 11.0, and the Mig21 “Lazur” at 11.3, having both aircraft, it’s hard to believe that the f5c can somehow compare with the mig
No speed, no overload resistance, no radar, no normal RWR, no missiles except the ridiculous 9E
It looks like Gaijin has decided to decompress her IQ :/
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Dude you have 581 battle and and trying to explain the F-5C should be at 11 BR for game to be more enjoyable for every one just LOL
J-7E is OP in dog fight + have 4 missile that can connect very easy
F-5C and A is in this same BR as the F-5E and this is completely wrong basically up tiered 0.7 BR with no engine no missile’s now will constantly fight Mig-21Bis - F-4S MLD for god sake is 11.7
So all the enemy are All Aspect Slingers with some of them Radar Sparrow 7F it’s a joke overall
Why Mig-21MF and others stay at 10.7
If you need more enjoyable experience wrong game trying grind Israel with 8.7 A4E and have every game Mig-19s and F-104s try hards killing with impunity thinking they are Tom Cruse from Top Gun .
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He doesn’t even have F-5C, J-7E, A-5C, MiG-21MF/SMT :/
IMO J-7E shouldn’t be 10.7BR because it was most capable dogfighter even it gets FM nerf.
This is a new account where I am grinding out France and Sweden because I lost my old one, low hanging fruit isn’t sweet my dude. Also please use grammar your posts are barely intelligible.
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How many J-7Es do you see per match? Almost never more than 4 but there’s 12 F-5Cs which also are insane in down tiers, meaning they are the bigger problem.
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The F-5C always fought F-4S and MiG-23 ML in upteirs, you’re trying to make it seem like this is a new thing.
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You have flares and an RWR, you just need a little awareness and your good
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The MiG-21 loses all its energy with a few turns, the F-5C is a monster at lower speeds.
Please don’t get so butthurt you got the smallest of nerfs, not that deep. Games are meant to be enjoyable, I play war thunder to have fun, not fight blatantly under tiered jets and lose consistently. A little bit of critical thinking please.
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