Bro started to repost his own post from a few hours ago because he don’t want admits himself that he is one of the many premium grinders or bomberdads who skipped learning to dodge ARH/SARH without using multipathing 💀
He has never played F-14s in the game btw
Well you don’t need to stay in a notch position all the way through.
The F-14 can choose to either guide the phoenix to you or your teammates below, not both. As you see in this clip, whoever I launched my first phoenix at quickly notched and disappeared from my TWS. The F-14 radar is also that bad that just a measly 45 degree can suffice to notch it.
After that I start pointing my radar downward on low alt targets so the only thing the high altitude bandit had to do was changing direction to avoid the phoenix in IOG mode from tracking him.
At 50km away, he couldn’t have launched a sarh missile anyway. He most likely saw my phoenix contrail, saw the F-14 ping on its RWR, did 2+2 and notched my radar. Then he sees that my ping is gone because again I point my radar downward so he knows that it’s safe to engage again.
I dont think his post was bout him. He is showing that the Phoenix, like it or not, are effective at getting kills.
I will give you that his brain cell comment was a little course… albeit funny.
Agreed. Sometimes just level 45 degree cranking is enough to watch the phoenix start flying off to no where. Sometimes, I miss the one tiny smoke trail out of 16 that are coming at me until its pitbull… then I really do have to go completely cold/dive.
In any case, its still disrupting my ability to acquire targets for myself.
Then, Why didn’t you quote it like this or post the URL of your own post?
or
Grow up instead posting rant of 54s in forum
what?
why is that matter
maybe to you
but idc
If you want to disrupt a F-14 at high altitude, just launch a r-27ER at him. If I get a missile launch warning from a mig-29 or su-27 radar I just dip. That thing is so crazy fast it’s on you almost immediately. I either stop what I’m doing, notch and then go cold or just immediately launch all my remaining phoenix at random targets which usually gives a poor hit rate.
As you should. I commented earlier that the Mig-29 is partially responsible for the remission in F14 spam prior to last update. Er’s hard counter the F14’s high alt tactics. But F14’s often no longer fight Mig-29’s thanks to the knew match maker and BR spread. Instead, F14’s fight Mirage F1’s and Mig-23’s.
Last time i checked both Regular Mig-29’s and F-14B was sitting at 12.0, which means they will fight against each other.
Ive been abusing, I mean playing, the Mirage-2000 recently and many of the matches have 11.7 as top. Meaning no Mig-29s but plenty of F-14As.
My older brother and i played Tomcat B last night, almost every round we had at least 1-4 Mig-29’s on both teams.
You and your bro should do yourselves a favor and play only the F-14A. Its BR prevents it from seeing 13.0’s and if you do get an 11.7 match, you will be kings… besides Mirage-2000 ofc : ).
Nah F-14B is much better then F-14A.
With only 0.3 Br differences you will get much better acceleration, 780 countermeasures,proper RWR and Aim-9L’s.
Plus 12.0br means you will regurarly face 11.0-12.0 Jets which makes it ten times better then regular Tomcat.
Honestly i still dont understand why Gaijin hasnt given Aim-9M’s to Tomcat B and make it 12.3-12.7 jet, people usually underestimates how good F-14B is.
The Mig-29 is a good counter against the F-14, but so is every other SARH missile. If an F-14 is doing Phx spam that means they have only 2 missiles left if they shot all 6, if they shot 4 they have 4 missiles left.
The F-14 can not see everyone on the team so it has blind spots in the radar, and there has been plenty of times that an F-16 or F-4 has made me go defensive right as i was done or just before the last few missiles were being fired. A 40 meter difference in multipathing is NOT a good enough reason to increase the BR simply because you are scared of Aim-54 missiles and want a free path for base bombing.
When there are multiple F-14’s in the air there is so much clutter on the f-14 radar that less planes get taken down as multiple missile tend to be fired at the same target, or you lock another missile in the air and shoot at it. Especially if there are opposing F-14’s, as the Aim-54 shows up on radar and gets cycled through adding to the clutter and bad shots being taken.
You want to counter the F-14 at current BR, fly high. How the spam works is the F-14 has to be going straight and fast Mach 1.2 and above preferably. do you know how long it takes to maneuver the f-14 at 25k feet going Mach 1.2 to 1.4 ? Its nearly impossible to dodge kinetically and turning to fast and hard rips the wings and now your just a falling target.
There is almost always a Mig-29, Su-27, Yak 141 that come against the F-14 and they carry the ER missile. Hell even the Mig 23 can stealth shoot down the 14.
There is no tactical advantage of with just merely shooting the Aim-54. Plenty of times I’ve shot 6 out and no kills, and my team lost. Ive gotten 5 kills with phoenix and another two kills with the 9L’s and my team still lost.
Also did this today with a su-25
The reason your high shot didnt connect, is because the Aim-54 lost energy. The reason people climb high and shoot down is so the aim-54 can retain some energy when going after targets. It does try to loft when shooting at high targets but doesnt retain nearly the same energy when shooting down. I have been killed by another F-14 at Alt because i was flying straight and not paying attention to the RWR and keeping the data link connected.
did you notice that 4 out of the 5 planes you downed were F-4’s? Three being S models and one E… if you look at their loadout i bet you they were bomb/rocket trucking toward bases so they are going in a straight line to the bases racing to beat their team mates to the base then they get smacked with AIM-54’s. The F-5 was probably doing the same thing.
The most planes that get shot down when I do Aim-54 is the F-4’s and out of the F-4’s its the S primarily especially during sales events. Its like Free SL during the sales on PC then consoles. I always look for the radars that are going toward the direction of bases, because they are too focused on getting to their base.
There is no real reason that the BR of the 14 should change, other than people complaining they want a free path to base bombing.
Exactly, most of my kills with Pheonix’s are against base bombers that just go straight for a base and don’t do anything to avoid it. If I fire on a player who isn’t base bombing 9 times out of 10 the missile will miss because they are actively defending against it.
When in an uptier with either F-14 my Pheonix’s rarely hit because the enemy know how to defend properly.
It’s the same for most vehicles in this game. In a full downtier the vehicle/weapons slap, in a full uptier the vehicle/weapons get slapped. The biggest factor is the player, both ourselves and the other players in the match.
What is needed more than throwing BR’s higher is full tutorials showing you exactly what you should do to defend against each missile (IR/SARH/ARH).
Posted this in the AIM-54 thread proper, but figured some of y’all might be interested as well:
Sparksnotes are:
AIM-54A:
AIM-54C:
F-14A:
F-14B:
Well yes, you’re just basically repeating what I’ve said lol. Low flying targets are giving the phoenix free energy when it’s dropping down on them and as I said it’s mostly premium planes carrying bombs and rockets.
For the first shot my radar gets notched. You see the contact disappearing when the target’s vector gets into a 45 > degree angle so it just never found the guy with only IOG as he changed direction.
Point is, people need to re-wire their brain and stop systematically flying low because it’s not a good strategy anymore against radar missile.
The F-14B should also get better SARH missiles, but with those fixes it should be 13.0 and decompress the BRs.
F-14A should be 12.0 no matter what. Screw that jet
The F-14B is definitely not 13.0 material even with those changes, you’re forgetting the lack of HMD virtually all 12.0+ jets have but most importantly no All-aspect PD radar, which is its biggest weakness.
The RWR is also subpar but not a major issue.
If for you this is 13.0, what br would the F-14D (if no Amraam) be?? 13.3- 13.7 ?? Doesn’t make sense.