It is not only the F-104S that suffers, but almost all BR11.0 jets such as F-4EJ.
Ignoring the fact that BR is overcompressed and trying to lower the BR of a particular vehicle, further exacerbating the compression, is the most ridiculous and bs idea in balancing and is what made 9.xBR unplayable because the community and Gaijin wanted it.
So Better doing nothing, Let the canard remain a strong 10.7 while the 104S and Taf, the only Planes Italy have a that br remain unplayable right? We can’t have Italy mains not to suffer over br Planes right?
Btw the F4EJ Is still in a Better position than the 104S. At least It can turn and the radar can actually lock on something before you die
The only way i Will be fine with a 104S/Taf still at 11.0 Is with gaijin givin to It the all aspect missiles that should have
The Italy has TT F-104G that doesn’t have x4 AIM-9J loadouts. It is not best but not worst because of its performance. And the main reason I don’t think F-104S shouldn’t be BR 10.7 is because of German and Italian F-104G.
Probably the Italian F-104G could move down to 10.3BR. Cause the F-104J, which has 4x AIM-9Ps without CMs, is in 10.3BR. However, The German F-104G is 10.7 BR, has a CM with x4 AIM-9Js so, If F-104S moved down to 10.7BR in current meta, the BR compression which it is nobody needed would be worse at 10.7BR and at 10.3BR below.
Not really.
The F-4EJ has no access to the AIM-7E-2 and the OG AIM-7E is terrible and vastly inferior to the AIM-7E-2. Also, the F-104 can turn very tight at higher speeds than you and the average player thinks, and iirc, it can pull an AoA not that much different from the F-4 at speeds above 1000 km/h.
F104 S taf turn rate 34s - F4eJ turn rate 26 S. I have the Taf, that thing can’t turn at any speed
also i fear you are not considering that the Taf too have only the AIM7E and on top of that a radar that do not want work. Not to forget that if you want to use the AIM7 in a f104 you have to remove your main gun
Let us be honest here, if the canard is fine at 10.7 the taf/s should be 10.7 too because against 12.0 your only selling point, your speed is useless
But again, give me some all aspect missiles and i’m fine.
There are too many stat cards that are not written, such as AoA, top speed on deck, etc., that are essentially useless in the game. Even the turning rate is the same for the F-4EJ and the F-4E/F-4F on the cards, but in reality the F-4EJ cannot turn the same way as the F-4E because F-4EJ doesn’t have wing slats.
I have actually tested the F-4EJ and F-104S on a test flight to see how much AOA they can pull off, and while the F-4 can turn much faster than the F-104S when turning below Mach 1.0, it is not the case at higher speeds, and while the F-4 can still turn faster, but the difference is not huge.
I know that’s why everybody bring x6 AIM-9Js but, F-4EJ can’t do same things.
The AIM-7E is just terrible, and even though it can carry up to four of them, I would rather not take the AIM-7E with me because I use the F-4EJ as pure gunfighter, since it rarely hits the enemy unless enemy team is braindead.
That is not okey at its BR even on current meta. Problem is everybody use it as bomber for somehow and the supposedly high stats have become the lower.
However, you need to wait your lifetime because F-104S didn’t carry any all-aspect missiles iirc.
No all aspect missile in real life?
Think again
And please, wing slat or no a F104 do not turn and for a reason. That plane isn’t made for that, is an interceptor.
Is it actually? Because as far as I know, and from old forum discussions, the F-104S couldn’t carry the AIM-9Ls, and it was only after the ASA/ASA-M modifications. And an F-104S with an AIM-9L is basically an F-104S ASA without PD radar so, it would get the BR changes it does not need due to its missiles.
It is surprising that I posted that the F-104 actually pulls off a decent AoA with screenshots, yet you have not seen it at all. Also, when compared to the F-104S and other 11.0BR/10.7BR aircraft, there is nothing wrong with the BR of the F-104S itself. The problem is that the 11.0BR-12.0BR is very compressed and only requires changes in BR for some aircraft such as the MiG-21SMT/MF.
Ignoring the fact that the BR is compressed and asking to change it because “I wasted $70” or some similar reason is a sign that you have no idea about balance, and you have a foolish and dangerous mindset to compress the BR even more.
Think again.
And please, drop the stupid idea of compressing BRs, which nobody needs, and which is also ridiculous.
In-case I didn’t post here yet.
I think F-104S at 11.0 is fine. Whether you’re using it to bomb base then PVP, or going straight into PVP, it does rather well.
Magic 2s are a bit scary, and dogfights aren’t possible.
F-104S is still among the fastest aircraft, and still holds 4 or 6 potent rear-aspect IR missiles.
Some may disagree with me, I am however very comfy in my performance in my F-104S.
Have you even read the post i linked for you? Ofc you don’t
You talk about decompression and and not how even some 11.0 have all aspect missiles while been fast almost like the 104 while being far more agile or like how 11.3 Planes like the mig 23 and the F4S can Just kill you fron the other side of the map. You can decompress those Plane to 12.0 and the f104 Will still be unplayable
FFs i have that Plane, can’t turn at all and no martter how many screenshot you give to in in “practice mode” the F4 Just turn far Better than the 104
In pratice mode the 104S radar work, in real game can’t lock shit
In the end, let me get things straight
F104S/Taf weapons
the ir missiles follow the first flare that got pop
the radar missile are shit, the radar never lock on anything
the plane do not turn
but you keep saying is fine at 11.0 where it face better planes.
How can two photos of F-104s with an AIM-9L prove it is an OG F-104S when outwardly there is little distinction between an F-104S and an F-104S ASA as far as I know?
If you can prove that it is in fact the OG F-104S then you should post a bug report/historical report instead of complaining on the forum.
Almost every 11.0BR jet is unplayable. The F-104S is not the only one suffering.
And while the F-4 certainly has a far better advantage over the F-104 in a TSS-style 1v1 duels but, what we are playing is a random battles that does not require a duel. You can literally stay fast and keep bnz instead hold S key.
Besides, when compared to other 10.7BR/11.0BR aircraft, it is far better to most 10.7BR aircraft and quite decent for 11.0BR. In fact, iirc, the F-104S is the fastest aircraft after the MiG-23M/MF at 11.0BR, and its T/W is far better than that of the F-4E at 11.0BR. Not even comparing it to other 11.0BR aircraft and complaining to change the BR while ignoring the F-104G (Germany) is just a clown move.
I’ve been wondering why the ASA can’t have 6 missiles.
I’ve asked here on the forum and apparently it can carry 4 AIM-9Ls and 2 Js.
They aren’t worth much more then wasting enemy flares but if it’s historical, why not?
ASA/ASA-M manual says it can carry just x4 AIM-9Ls iirc
It can have its BR lowered if it loses its flares.
funny because the asa doesn’t have a pd radar
With the current BR’s the f-104s and TAF is too good to be moved down and is too bad to stay at its br. Gaijin needs to decompress air jets then deal with this issue
Oh Didn’t it?
I was confused for sonehow.
Same as F104asa, F104ASA’s rwr is totally broken…
11.0 for the F-104S TAF or any F-104 be it the Techtree S of S ASA which is even higher, is not justifiable.
The way this game works puts you in an Uptier 9 out 10 games and you are Facing Mig-29’s and F-16’s.
Now if any of you think that the F-104S TAF is good at 11.0, well i got this to say.
You are entitled to your oppinion even if you are wrong.
Just look at the F-4EJ it sits at 11.0 and is by far a way more capable jet at its BR not just in terms of Flight Performance but also in weapons.
The only reason why the F-104S went up was because of complaining A-10 and Su-25 sweatlords that got murdered by the F-104 and could do very little against them.
But hey thats what you get when you take a slow strike craft into air RB
The only advantage of the F104 is the speed, considering the f104a is 9.3, it is not acceptable to say that because the f104 is too fast it needs a higher BR, so it is better to make the most of F104 -0.3,
By the way, in 11.3, The 104ASA SL speed is lower than mig23ML, and F104ASA’s RWR is still broken.
It is quite funny how almost all of the complainers who complain about changing the F-104S to 10.7BR from 11.0BR ignore that F-104G(Germany) is sitting at 10.7BR with x4 AIM-9J and it is pretty decent.
