Event star - data collection (CONCLUDED)

[iMatty01]

@Beeschurger

ah, dont worry about that. I can see what modifiers for arcade and rank VII are, i will just add them to the table

Okey dokey, let’s hope that i’ll have free time tomorrow then :D

@Beeschurger

i played like 200 games of arcade in total and I would most likely get clapped at every single opportunity.

Nah,you just need to always be on the edge of your chair.Arcade is for battle response, Realistic is for positioning

[Beeschurger]

anyway, the point is that while you are correct in a sense that time you are on the field controlling vehicle is the only time you can generate score, i still think you need to count the entire time you actually spend in battle.

allow me to try and give an example.

lets say that i stay in battle for 10 minutes, but on purpose i only remain on the field controlling the vehicle for 5 minutes and staring at the respawn screen the other 5 minutes. I do this for 10 games and i manage to reach daily 22.5k score.

Now someone asks me how long did it take me to reach that score.

If i answer 50 minutes, that would be technically true because i was on the field generating score only for 50 minutes, but realistically it took me 1 hour and 40 minutes because entire battle was 10 minutes and i was sitting in respawn minute for half of the battle.

[Beeschurger]

looking forward to results!

[sardinha08]

I took screenshots from every battle I got last night to do the 3rd mark, with those screenshots I could take a lot of info and put it in a spreadsheet. And there must be a way to take all that data from somewhere directly to a spreadsheet instead of doing it “by hand”.

[Beeschurger]

just quoting in case you miss it:

@Beeschurger

allow me to try and give an example.

lets say that i stay in battle for 10 minutes, but on purpose i only remain on the field controlling the vehicle for 5 minutes and staring at the respawn screen the other 5 minutes. I do this for 10 games and i manage to reach daily 22.5k score.

Now someone asks me how long did it take me to reach that score.

If i answer 50 minutes, that would be technically true because i was on the field generating score only for 50 minutes, but realistically it took me 1 hour and 40 minutes because entire battle was 10 minutes and i was sitting in respawn minute for half of the battle.

anyway

@sardinha08

I took screenshots from every battle I got last night to do the 3rd mark, with those screenshots I could take a lot of info and put it in a spreadsheet.

please do! or send them to me and i will try to mine them for data once i have time.

@sardinha08

And there must be a way to take all that data from somewhere directly to a spreadsheet instead of doing it “by hand”

I honestly wish there was, alas i dont know how. even bruce_r1 said in the other thread he had to pull data of 100 players manually

[_Poul]

@sardinha08

If you count this time which depends a lot whether you respawn or not, and multiply it by 18-25 matches, you start getting a big difference.

I already tried to explain this in a different topic:

Data Analysis: what is the actual average player's score per mode? (and how long will it take you to do this event)

If you count the time from pressing “To battle!” to seeing a battle summary screen, then it can be misleading. And you don’t really need to do this. Imagine different players having a different computers at different locations. For example, I have a fast computer and I play on EU/RU servers, which is pretty much the best case scenario. It almost always takes me below 10 seconds to find a battle during events. When someone from e.g. Africa wants to grind the event, he could have a completely di…

But @Beeschurger has his own vision, and he has right to have one. There is no point in trying to convince everyone of your views. It’s enough to just explain this, and then everyone can do what they want to do (it doesn’t matter if they ignore your opinion).

I would never count the time from loading screen to post-battle summary, but that’s me. In my opinion the important thing is the score you can gain in the time you participate in the battle. You can’t gain score during loading screens and waiting times, so you only lose accuracy with your calculations, if you include this time. It’s also much easier for everyone to just note the time played (one value instead of two). Easier and more accurate at the same time.

Additional time (personal data, like loading screens, queue waiting times, breaks etc.) could be counted separately if someone wants. But they aren’t important, if you want to compare score gains in different game modes, at different ranks, with different lineups etc. I definitely wouldn’t include any of these into my base score/time calculations.

But like I said, it doesn’t really matter. It’s @Beeschurger topic and he can calculate things however he wants.

[Beeschurger]

@_Poul_

You can’t gain score during loading screens and waiting times, so you only lose accuracy with your calculations

again

@Beeschurger

allow me to try and give an example.

lets say that i stay in battle for 10 minutes, but on purpose i only remain on the field controlling the vehicle for 5 minutes and staring at the respawn screen the other 5 minutes. I do this for 10 games and i manage to reach daily 22.5k score.

Now someone asks me how long did it take me to reach that score.

If i answer 50 minutes, that would be technically true because i was on the field generating score only for 50 minutes, but realistically it took me 1 hour and 40 minutes because entire battle was 10 minutes and i was sitting in respawn minute for half of the battle.

[sardinha08]

@_Poul_

I already tried to explain this in a different topic:

Data Analysis: what is the actual average player’s score per mode? (and how long will it take you to do this event) General Discussion

I know, I’ve read it and I was also a PS4 player where load times take forever so I know there are differences.

@_Poul_

But @Beeschurger has his own vision, and he has right to have one. There is no point in trying to convince everyone of your views. It’s enough to just explain this, and then everyone can do what they want to do (it doesn’t matter if they ignore your opinion).

I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m just giving my opinion that it is more accurate if you only count the time you are actually playing. And it’s also more easy cause you just need to screenshot the battle results screens, keep playing and work with them when you got the time.

[_Poul]

@Beeschurger

again

You produce so many posts, that before I wrote my post, you added like 3. So it’s not that I ignored your answer, I just didn’t read it yet.

@Beeschurger

allow me to try and give an example.

lets say that i stay in battle for 10 minutes, but on purpose i only remain on the field controlling the vehicle for 5 minutes and staring at the respawn screen the other 5 minutes. I do this for 10 games and i manage to reach daily 22.5k score.

Now someone asks me how long did it take me to reach that score.

If i answer 50 minutes, that would be technically true because i was on the field generating score only for 50 minutes, but realistically it took me 1 hour and 40 minutes because entire battle was 10 minutes and i was sitting in respawn minute for half of the battle.

Using your own example. If I do this in every single battle (but note the time from first loading screen to battle summary screen, as you wish), I could provide you a data that it took me 12 hours to complete the event. And you wouldn’t even notice I was looking at the respawn screen half the time because your way of collecting data is flawed.

[sardinha08]

@Beeschurger

allow me to try and give an example.

lets say that i stay in battle for 10 minutes, but on purpose i only remain on the field controlling the vehicle for 5 minutes and staring at the respawn screen the other 5 minutes. I do this for 10 games and i manage to reach daily 22.5k score.

Now someone asks me how long did it take me to reach that score.

If i answer 50 minutes, that would be technically true because i was on the field generating score only for 50 minutes, but realistically it took me 1 hour and 40 minutes because entire battle was 10 minutes and i was sitting in respawn minute for half of the battle.

I think you just answered yourself, why would anyone compare data that can be misleading?

[Beeschurger]

@_Poul_

Using your own example. If I do this in every single battle (but note the time from first loading screen to battle summary screen, as you wish), I could provide you a data that it took me 12 hours to complete the event.

that would be unfortunately true.

@_Poul_

And you wouldn’t even notice I was looking at the respawn screen half the time because your way of collecting data is flawed

but going only with the time you actually spent on the field controlling vehicle gaining score is flawed too, because it will also produce skewed results. again, refering to my example.

look, I was trying to ignore the passive aggressive tone of the previous post, but now its clear you just want to tell me, indirectly, that i suck.

i already explained my reasoning.

I even acknowledged it might not be perfect.

If you dont agree with it, that is your god given right.

sardinha is polite enough to talk about flaws without dismissing them.

i dont have problem with that as it is actually quite helpful.

you went on preaching how it is my vision and what not.

that adds nothing.

so if you plan to continue in that tone, please leave. no one is forcing you to look at what i am doing here. no one is forcing you to participate. hell, no one is even forcing you to acknowledge whatever info i might collect.

[Beeschurger]

i suppose without better way to automatically collect that data, we will just have to hope that people are playing normally and not screwing with the data on purpose.

normally as how you would normally grind the event.

[sardinha08]

@Beeschurger

look, I was trying to ignore the passive aggressive tone of the previous post, but now its clear you just want to tell me, indirectly, that i suck.

I think you got it wrong with Poul, but I haven’t read everything, this forum makes my eyes hurt.

[sardinha08]

@Beeschurger

please do! or send them to me and i will try to mine them for data once i have time.

I already build one but I used “Time played”. 😅

This were my scores:

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	My Score	Time Played
	3072	12:27
	2299	08:29
	896	07:07
	1018	06:16
	4158	10:58
	4604	08:22
	1183	08:19
	1979	09:04
	3786	10:21
	3194	07:58
	2743	09:40
	1952	05:58
	1873	07:31
	2008	05:17
	1962	07:18
	2030	08:19
	3524	08:14
	2963	10:16
	1146	08:53
	1144	06:36
	2453	07:46
	4419	09:09
	4070	10:29
	2024	08:46
Total	60500	03:23:55
Average	2521	08:29

This was for both teams and for entire match:

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	Average Score	Team A Score	Avg Team A	Players A	Team B Score	Avg Team B	Players B	Highest Score
	1242	19177	1199	16	20581	1286	16	3072
	1252	23018	1439	16	17030	1064	16	2346
	830	16589	1037	16	9984	624	16	3150
	908	11695	731	16	17376	1086	16	2135
	1553	24154	1510	16	25546	1597	16	5029
	1243	16934	1058	16	22854	1428	16	4604
	1147	14998	937	16	21712	1357	16	1183
	1056	15440	965	16	18353	1147	16	3144
	1463	25835	1615	16	20992	1312	16	4687
	1208	17396	1087	16	21250	1328	16	3194
	1303	22200	1388	16	19490	1218	16	2743
	1022	14449	903	16	18239	1140	16	3570
	1066	21161	1323	16	12955	810	16	3211
	1123	16665	1042	16	19268	1204	16	2008
	1000	18427	1152	16	13564	848	16	2102
	1375	18236	1140	16	25770	1611	16	3061
	1136	20398	1275	16	15938	996	16	3524
	1820	27616	1726	16	30616	1914	16	3356
	1379	24189	1613	15	18549	1159	16	3522
	887	16030	1002	16	12352	772	16	2116
	1100	16658	1041	16	18535	1158	16	3340
	1168	23294	1456	16	14066	879	16	4419
	1295	21771	1361	16	19673	1230	16	4070
	990	17865	1117	16	12815	854	15	2352
Average	1190	19341	1213	16	18646	1168	16	3164

[Beeschurger]

@sardinha08

This were my scores:

Nice.

Are those already adjusted or just “raw”?

And its only the time you were actually on the field, correct?

Which lineup you ran with?

[sardinha08]

@Beeschurger

Are those already adjusted or just “raw”?

Those are all “raw” score before multipliers.

@Beeschurger

And its only the time you were actually on the field, correct?

Yes, that is all “Time Played” times, in reality it took much longer than those 3:23:55.

@Beeschurger

Which lineup you ran with?

USSR Rank III 5.3 BR

I probably should have done it with USSR Rank IV 5.7 BR lineup since I’m basically facing the same tanks in every match as I do with the 5.3 BR lineup and have a better rank multiplier, on the other hand a lower BR killing an higher BR tank gives more score. I’ll probably try it on my next mark to see the difference.

[DIRTYBOMB]

this game has been out since 2012 coming up on 15 years now, I’m sure there are 10s of thousands of people with level 150 crews, I don’t have one yet. There is no reason a high level should be forced to just play top tier.

[Beeschurger]

Could I ask you to try and record times when the round start/ends like we talked about?

I know its annoying, but with tha we could make good comparison between my 5.7 US game and yours.

[aLiVe]

I recorded the last star and the calculations you made are not accurate. You took 12 min per game and it is usually 9,50 counting game loads and breaks.

In 2 days 3h with the game open. It took me 19 games to finish. I attach screenshots, I don’t have enough time to make exels. Sorry…

Add that they were not my best games and the average is around 2300RP.

[aLiVe]

I’m not going to argue with you any more an obvious fact, in Arcade it’s easier to spot.

But your idea is FALSE, if you play thinking that you see everything you are going to die all the time because of the really dangerous players that are not all the time in sight.

You have to be attentive and think about those players when you move.