Still uses B tech btw
Are all the smart cookies in the forums today ?
The nose landing gear doesn’t have any kind of impact on gameplay. They don’t even model the increase in weight. The armement is the same, FL is the same, everything performance wise is identical.
It’s just a cosmetic copy paste
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i am not sure you know what is meaned with D tech or the differences
Seeing your reply, I couldn’t help but burst into laughter 😂
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I’m pretty sure they stop giving a shit about naval players feedback a good year or two ago, so many critical game breaking bugs ignored, they keep filling up the report area & get rated “not enough info” or “not a bug”…
So many critical features are removed like tow lines, menusl engine control, aiming UI’s or made worse tow lines, AB aiming UI, many good maps are “improved” yet turn to shit afterwards while horrible maps are left unchanged.
Every BR change post is pointless to leave suggestions on as every naval related suggestion is never acted on, every single time nothing gets added & the list stays around five vessels. The mods in game tell us to use those forum posts over talking in game yet nothing happens ever.
I’m only here for the models, meanwhile everything else is rotten away like a wooden beam that has been waterlogged for a century.
Speaking of bug reports a certain french cannon is featured on the Battleship Jean Bart, unfortunately like Le Brestois the fire directors don’t work for the cannons like seen usable on Le Corse…
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Hydra is only unique magach out of them all. Maybe sabra as well. Rest is same sort of trash as modernized US m60s.
Same goes for centurions. Brits also got modernized centurion at 9.3. But better.
Im afraid blazer cannot cure “slow boring copy trash” condition found on some Israeli tanks.
the issue is when everyone has everything battles get extremely samey… have you seen 10.7 and above recently? its nothing but leopards. there are so many cool and unique tanks that could be added to add variety to high ranking matches but instead we get leopard 2 slop again and again and again. you add leo2s to france and japan but seem to forget due to these trees being played by less players and more experienced ones at that their players arnt going to care about them because chances are they already have a leopard 2 in another tree, it offers nothing unique and at worst adds nothing in terms of the french leo (who is going to uptier an entire lineup for a single 2a4?)
the french leo 1 added in the most recent tree is another massive L, it adds literally nothing, we already had the amx 32 and we COULD have gotten an amx 30c that has a stab as another 9.3 but instead its just easier to fall back and and a german tank instead… again i have the tank already, if i wanted to play a leopard id play germany, i am playing france.
they also didnt fill any gaps like you keep insisting they do, france has a hole in its spaa line between the amx 10 and DCA (which was both up tiered AND nerfed at the same time because there are communication issues within gijian apparently) with plenty of spaa that could fill that gap (amx 13 dca for example or that weird 20mm one that i cant remember the name of) why not add those? they would be much more liked than a leo 1.
another thing; the belilux tree is yet to add a single Belgian or Dutch tank. “oh but the m55!” thats american. “oh but the new leo 1” thats german.
add stuff like the SIBMAS C25 or Piranha IIIC DF90! give it a REASON TO EXIST.
or how about the sheer number of tanks that would be relatively easy to add? amx 13-105 has all the needed assets in game, but for some reason just… isnt here? it could even be a multi tree tank as other nations have their own versions of it (copying minor nation tanks to the big 3 is more acceptable because chances are they DONT have those nations to play from, like the DF105 for germany is fine, i just wish we didnt need to wait 2 years for the FRANCO-german tank to be co-added to france…
if your going to force copy slop down our throat atleast add it WITH other things and not just calling it a day with a control C + control V.
whilst im here i guess ill also put this here: the swiss ground tree. we know it will come eventually, and we know most of the designs are co-made with france but due to it being a minor tree less people play it so the snail is hesitant to add it in general. it would be fine if both france and germany got the sub tree with every addition going to both, maybe some picking and choosing such as more french designs going to france and stuff like the Pz 61 or 71 going to germany to add some uniqueness, hell both france and germany could get a centurion which is a massively different tank to how their trees play at that br adding even more variety.
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You’re right, every branch should have the Leopard 2 available—let’s achieve Leopard 2 freedom!
The addition of Duplicate vehicles itself isn’t bad
They also reflect the history of the operator nations, and some duplicates can provide a unique experience via
-strange modification by operator nations
-or never had similar vehicles with a similar playstyle before, so it can fill the tech tree gap.
Duplicate vehicles are like duct tape, easy to use, easy to fix something with few efforts compared to unique one.
The problem is, how Gaijin use that magical duct tape.
Gaijin uses it as the worst way possible.
Copy & paste some random top-rank/premium vehicle that can make money, raise general hatred against c&p, then can ignore WW2 era vehicles that some part of the community wants because ‘you lads hate c&p’
We Brits used tons of American vehicles in WW2 by Lend-Lease, but we even failed to get half of it
P-51 Mustang (which we gave reason to build it), 76mm Long-barrel Shermans and such, we don’t even have an iconic M4A2 Sherman III, or M4A4 Sherman V
But thanks to Gaijin’s way of implementing C&P vehicles, I don’t think we will ever gonna get it.
Oh, and Germans, Germans don’t get quite many of the DDR vehicles because ‘C&P bad’
But DDR or East Germany is part of German history, so historically, there should be more of the Eastern-built DDR vehicles, but Gaijin just don’t have interested on those.
You can fix something with duct tape
But you shouldn’t fix the Titanic with duct tape.
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American M60/48 ends in 9.0 Israel has so many better ones
Yes but they are in end of tree. Not middle or closer to end. Thats my issue. If I want to touch f4 which has py3, agm65d, tgp, las bombs, zuni which is new compared to every other f4. I must dig through all that copies with David Star near their name / masked by Israeli designation (like Kurnass). I have nothing against David Star, its just the way devs distinguish Israeli vehicles from rest.
Personally, I actually think premiums should be mostly copypaste with cosmetic changes and maybe some smaller unique bits (the AMRAAM test F-14 is a great example) but not something totally unique. This is especially true since balancing premiums is something of a delicate situation (lets be honest, if they say punted 2S38 to 13.0, they’d be review bombed to oblivion by the past 2S38 buyers), and keeping them mostly similar to TT vehicles means you can use the TT vehicle BRs as a basis for balancing them.
Truly unique vehicles should be event grinds, as a reward for doing it. (Although eventually there should be something of a repeat cycle over the very long run.)
As to more simple copy pastes to “fill holes” - the logic of where to grab what for whom seems totally bizarre. Modern JP at this point is turning into some ASEAN combo tree - you should not be bragging that there’s a Type 10, Leopard 2, and T-84 all side by side in one tree for ‘varied playstyles’. At this level of blending why not just dispense with national trees in general and go full arcade style pick whatever you want for a lineup?
(IMHO, all JP needed for filling their modern day holes was to have SK, but apparently that’s too ‘controversial’ - so they’ll just put US stuff in the CN tree & spread poor Singapore out across ten morbillion trees.)
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You forgot to nerf the Abrams turret ring so it can be MG’ed
For me it’s fine I have to play some of the France TT without having to grind it
I like this analogy
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Slightly better at best. It still gives this “but its old stinky m60” feeling at the end of the day. Magach hydra is only diamond from that dirt pile that can give you interesting gameplay. Cause it has 2 hydra blocks on top of generic patton base and l7 cannon. Almost nothing has smth like that. Only it and lavad at 10.0.
I understand these additions in general and usually have less issues with duplicate vehicles than other players. Most of the time I believe I’d rather have a vehicles I don’t want to play in game than to not have a vehicle in game I do want to play.
Personally I believe there is ways to improve how these vehicles are added and how players interact with them though. There have been some suggestions for features that could make these vehicles feel less like a chore and more like something players can actually appreciate:
In both of these suggestions, while the vehicles themselves are the same, they get cheaper the more you have played the same vehicle across the rest of the game. This actually gives them a very useful place, where while you don’t get this new gameplay experience other vehicles might bring, you instead get a vehicle that can quickly fill a lineup and make the transition from one rank to another feel smoother.
I hope something like this can be considered.
I’d also like to link my subtree rework suggestion while we’re at it and talking about subtrees. Not the same issue here, but it can help solve a lot of other issues and I’d always appreciate anyone who reads through it and maybe helps by leaving some feedback, criticism or ideas for improvement.
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I’m sorry but it isn’t difficult, Gaijin was doing well until recently on this. Lets look at some examples:
- Tiger II sla.16: A tech tree tiger II but with a diferent, more powerful engine and some added armour on the turret side, basically the same vehicle but with minor changes that made it unique without beig overpowered.
- AMX / AMX-A1: Here we have the same airframe, but the premium version has 2 DEFAs instead of a 20mm vulcan and has access to the MAA-1 Piranhas and a more diverse (not better) ordnance. Again different enough to be interesting but not overpowered, but Gaijin decided to put the premium one on e higher B.R. for no reason, wich made the premium version effectively worse than the tech tree version (why tho???).
- Leopard 2A4M: basically a regular 2A5 without DM53 at a lower B.R (very fair).
I could list more, but hopefully you got the idea. it isn’t difficult to manage, you (gaijin) have been doing it for quite some time.
Now, look at the “new” premiums:
- Alpha Jet A (JaboG 41): Same Aplha Jet from the tech tree with a warthunder live skin
- M60A1 Predator: Same M60A1 RISE (P) from the regular tech tree, but with an AI generated skin
- Puma u14: Same Puma VJTF from the tech tree with some (literal) trash glued to it.
THEN WHY THE F-14D IS A PREMIUM??? Not to mention other vehicles like: F-117, MiG-25. I know, they are not premiums, but they are also not on the regular tech tree, so the issue persists
This was simply bad game design, Israel didn’t need to be a separate tech tree as it has less than half the vehicles of other nations (it starts at 6.0 B.R). Japan has quite a number of unique vehicles, mostly WWII era.
But the solution is quite simple: disolve Israel into a USA-France sub tree, and create a “Pacific” tech tree with vehicles from Southeast Asia countries (Japan, Singapore, Phillipines, Thailand…). Just like we are asking for South America.
But in the end, this doesn’t matter, because is very clear that THE COMUNITY DOESN’T WANT MORE VEHICLES, IT WANTS MORE GAME MODES. What use is a shiny new vehicle if all I got to do with it is:
-Spawn
-Drive to A/B/C
-Die
-Repeat
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So, yeah, usage of Duct tape itself isn’t bad
The problem is Gaijin, who thinks it is welding, stitching, or something.
C&P itself isn’t bad, but Gaijin is using it badly.
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