i plead nuh uh
at bare minimum you can spray everywhere with 2000 rounds of .50 cal
I plead yuh huh. 2000 rounds of peashooter sucks.
Found peashooters fine with the CL-13B. But that is a totally different aircraft.
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6 M3s in the nose of a good airframe is 1000x better than 6 M2s in the wings of a garbage airframe.
the P-51 airframe is just fine imo
It has 6 M2 .50 cal brownings.
It’s 4.0 in air RB, 5.0 in air RB.
At 4.0, you also have the P-51C-10 (air sim), 3.7 air RB.
P-51C-10 has 4x M2 brownings. It is quite powerful and capable.
In fact.
It is kind of one of the most prevalent and dominant aircraft you can see at the 4.0 ± BR range, the P-51C-10. The P-51-D20 has superior firepower to that.
Now, it does have worse power/weight than the P-51C, given the more guns and fuel and materials…
So. P-51-D20 has better guns than P-51-C10, worse than P-51. It has comparable engine performance to the “Cannonstang” at low alt and outperforms it over 2K and rapidly over 4K.
Ratios look the same across 150-400 km/h, with higher speeds shifting the advantage for higher altitudes more.
Now, I havn’t flown the P-51-D variants much (if at all outside test flight, and d20 is a premium), I got the F4U-4 at that bracket for that.
I did however fly the P-51 “Cannonstang” a lot, and I have flown the F4U-4 a lot.
The F4U-4 has the exact same armament.
Flying the F4U-4 at 5.3, I’ve managed to score quite well with it once I’ve learned how to aim her guns and fly her semi-competently. It’s been the plane that gave me my first ace in air sim. Against 4.7-5.7 planes.
If 6 m2 brownings does the job against fighters at 5.3, why would it at all struggle at 4.0?
The P-51-D20 has more than enough firepower at 4.0 in RB and its performance is comparable to superior to the 4.0 P-51 cannonstang and just below the P-51-C10
Now, again - I flew the P-51 cannon mustang which is heavier, draggier and has worse engine unless under 1km altitude. WEPing IS needed, but mustangs have amazing radiators for basically permanent WEP with MEC that barely affect your performance thanks to the meredith effect.
My experience with the P-51 cannonstang?
She’s bloody fast. Faster than my more recent flights in the equally 4.0 (4.3 in RB) ki-61-Tei and accelerates and climbs superior to it. Ki-100 is what I feel compares to it most, except the ki-100’s engine dies from a stray bullet and I get forced down while the P-51 cannonstang has survived some bad punishment and got me home fine (not as absurd as the F4U-4, but far more than my jap planes).
She can also maneuver when done right. Dive in, pitch up into a pitchback/sliceback/high-yoyo/lag displacement roll, make a second pass and then GTFO.
In one of my footages I dive in on a fw190 with 580 km/h TAS. Miss, do a vertical 180 (pitchback) and “slow down” to 480 km/h at the peak, extend away at 525 km/h TAS
The only time the D20 shouldn’t be able to keep up with anything I did in the P-51 is under 1km altitude or if not using MEC/perma WEP.
Edit: Decided to test flight.
I wouldn't call a plane able to hit 450 km/h with no effort in a straight line under 1km altitude "slow af".
… She honestly feels pretty amazing to fly. Miles better than the Ki-61-Tei
Want a slow aircraft at 4.3 (RB)/4.0 that has horrible speed at low altitude, loses all of it in a single high yoyo/pitchback and overheats even with MEC?
Fly the Ki-61-Tei
The P-51C-10 has better flight performance whilst at a lower BR so your point is invalid.
Did you read the rest about the same armament being quite capable even at the 5.3-6.3 brackets (except for bomber hunting, screw ju288s).
Or the part that the 4.0 D20 way outperforming the 4.3 ki-61-tei?
Wish Gaijin would also remember the older planes. We’re still missing half the century series!
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Yes, that´s the thrill you get, every time you fly. Who could be behind me?
In Sim, you can try and fly low. It´s speed on the deck is outstanding.
But I like to have a bit space between me and this hard hitting OP weapon, called ground… :)
So I turn left and right more than I would do in a Bf 109 if I fly from A to B.
Is it enough when your opponent is also playing correctly?
Just barely. You’re maybe fast enough for 1.7-2.7 planes (that are not other vastly faster US planes), but you’re just too slow for anything 3.0-3.7.
I view climb rate in the context of battling other planes. I do not care about the initial climb. This plane will not hang with anything else in a prolonged fight.
You wanna share the settings you use? Last time I used the plane it was cooking itself at prop pitch as low as 60%. Maybe I need to not WEP at all.
Don’t care about BR, you’re still faster than a lot of slower 5.0s. You can still use speed to fight with. Sakeen’s firepower means nothing if your opponent can dodge, and you cannot effectively perform reversals in the Sakeen.
Yes, I know that there are planes that will whip a D20 around, but ANY plane can whip a Sakeen around. D20 can fight back, and in some cases can make sure it is safe while doing so.
Kinda depends on what they’re flying doesnt it?
Pretty I don’t disagree fully but I will say you’re fast enough to not be easy prey and the point here is in an uptier you should be flying support for your teammates in better planes.
In a prolonged fight you would ideally be using BnZ tactics
I would have to go play games in it again to get numbers.
Can you give an example of a plane the P-40 would beat with good flaps usage? Hard mode: no heavy twin engine fighters
If you can’t fight higher BR planes that means your current plane has no strong points it can leverage against the opposition. For example, I kill 5.x spitfires in the F3F using its maneuverability advantage, and I kill 4.x Zeros in the He-100 with its speed advantage. The P-40 offers none.
Let me correct my words: prolonged fight you start at equal energy states.
Looking forward to it. I always wanted to learn how to use the P-40, but was always put off by the performance issues, that are exacerbated by the overheating and the limits you have to place on yourself to mitigate it.
I wasn’t meaning to imply the P-40 was beating other planes in pure turnfights. I mean to say that the plane turns well enough when doing proper bnz tactics,especially combining it with flaps, that allows the plane to do well in its niche.
It depends on the matchup. You can still often leverage your high speed at lower alts or your 6 .50 cals
yeah but isnt the point of a bnz plane to stay out of these scenarios
My original argument was that the P-40 does not turn, but I did leave out the context of turnfights, I should have been clearer about that.
I do not consider turn to be very important in BnZ, since you can intersect turn circles with some separation. What makes it easier to BnZ for me is roll rate, to readjust aim.
It’s just not fast enough. You can’t create energy traps like you would in a much faster P-39N or A-36.
If your airframe can’t point those guns at the higher BR opposition, then the guns are irrelevant.
It’s not fast enough to stay out of those scenarios reliably. I think. I’ll fly more P-40 battles to see if I’m wrong.
Edit: Took out the P40s a little bit to get a fresh perspective, and my opinion of them improved a little. The P40E doesn’t overheat as much if you don’t abuse it for too long, and the P40F can fly with the radiator closed at mid alt. It’s just barely fast enough for the kind of energy traps I use in fast planes after all. I can’t ever get mid alt fights with the P40F because it takes too long to climb up.
Dude, half of what you said was crap.
Brownings deal amazing damage, when you can actually score dozens of hits which requires getting on your enemy’s tail or a headon. There’s been many, MANY scenarios where I’ve gotten “hit” on an enemy plane multiple times, and I’m just left thinking about how this engagement would’ve been over 30 seconds ago if I had cannons instead of browning.
Try playing the British Typhoon with 12 .303 machine guns. They shred planes instantly, but only when you can get consistent hits.
Not sure what this comparison is for as 5.3 and 4.0 planes share damage models.
The cannonstang performs better as a dogfighter than the P-51C-10, meaning it’s not objectively worse. The P-51D-20’s flight performance is objectively worse than the C-10, and worse in most ways than the P-51.
The P-51 performs better at low alts and speeds than the C-10 and D-20, thus is often considered the dogfighter variant.
P-51C-10 will overheat even with MEC if WEPed for long enough,
Mate the Zero, and Reisen are the same aircraft.
Zero was Model 0. Which only really makes sense with the first model.
Reisen refers to all A6M’s. I’m assuming you are referring to specifically the A6M5, which has no name in the game even though it’s one of several models.
Besides that the Aim-9B’s for F-86’s depend on how close you are to a target and if their even paying attention. It’s less of a coin flip but still a coin flip.
In what way does it perform better?
Set rads to 80%
I wrote this in another topic. For me, War Thunder is not about getting to top tier and staying there. Play those lower BR vehicles. They are from different eras, have different playstyles, offer their own challenges. I love that this game is about providing you opportunities to engage in different eras. If all there was to this game was top-tier, I’d have quit the game long ago.
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Only have the D-30, not the D-5. D-5 looks closest to D-20 in performance but has even weaker armament from belts it seems.
I’ll need to unlock D-5 and spade it.
I’m confident she will perform as well if not better than the P-51 cannonstang once I get my hands on her.
